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I've been doing the BS & ACV thing for about a month now. Actually, I probably only do the ACV part a couple times a week, but I use the BS every day.<br><br>
My hair is super fine. That kind of fine where people who think their hair fine feel my hair and say "Wow... and I thought MY hair was fine!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
But it breaks. I usually keep it pretty short because once it gets to be more than 6 inches or so, I end up with handful of hair in the shower, in my brush, etc. I thought that going no-poo would reduce breakage.<br><br>
Anyone have any suggestions? I've heard so many positive testimonials about going no-poo, but my hair doesn't really seem that different. Less oily at the end of the day, but it's still so "fragile".
 

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The first thing that strikes me is that you aren't using a weak acid rinse every time you wash. The reason for needing it, as I understand it, is because the little overlapping scale-like structures on the hair shaft (what are they called, cuticles?) raise up from the bs, and the acid rinse causes them to lay back down. I have heard that if you go without the rinse, the hair is prone to drying and breakage from being left that way. So that could be one problem.<br><br><br><br>
The one thing I did that reduced my broken ends was to minimize brushing and combing. I actually haven't owned a comb for many years. I also have not used a brush for nearly that long. I know that goes totally against our grandmother's "100 strokes of the brush a day" advice, but it works! Unfortunately today I got a cut and my stylist pulled a comb through my hair, all I could hear was the sound of breaking hairs... and it wasn't even really tangled. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> At least I convinced her not to use any shampoo on me!<br><br>
I loosen any tangles with my fingers after my lemon rinse when it's soft and with water flowing through it from the shower. After the rinse smooths the hair it's easier to untangle.<br><br>
I end up with handfuls of hair in the shower too... but there are no broken hairs, it's just that when my hair is longer they don't rinse away so easily and end up in my hands when I squeeze the water out of my hair.. you'd think I'd have broken ends everywhere or be bald,lol... but I've just decided it has to be hairs that reached the end of their life and fell out at the root, since there is no sign of breakage.<br><br>
I don't think of my hair as necessarily stronger than it was before. I sure learned today that it still breaks just as easily if you comb it!<br><br>
Maybe there's something you could change about your diet that would result in growing stronger hair... ??
 

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it sounds to me that you are using the bs way too often. the whole point is to NOT wash away your natural oils. Yeah, sounds backwards, doesn't it? All those shampoo commercials telling us how horrible our scalp grease is, we gotta strip it away, then replace it with their products. But really, try cutting back. And always do either vinegar or citrus rinse afterwards. Just a tiny bit in a cup of water is all it takes. On days I don't do the baking soda, if I rinse with lemon juice, I can go even longer without the bs. Experiment and see what works for you, baking soda without an acid rinse makes my hair very dry and brittle.<br><br>
hair in your brush doesn't necessarily mean it's breaking. It might just be shedding, making room for new hair. And *that* could be caused by all sorts of things, hormones, diet, age, seasons changing...<br>
Nothing in the world will fix split ends, you just have to keep your hair trimmed (doesn't matter the length, either). I like to melt a tiny bit of cocoa butter in the palm of my hands and run my fingers through my wet hair as a conditioner. Lots of people like different oils and such, but I like the cocoa butter.
 

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It might be other things that are too rough on your fine hair besides just your washing method. Maybe brushing is too hard on it. I've given up my brush for a seamless comb. I got mine at <a href="http://www.tenderheaded.com" target="_blank">www.tenderheaded.com</a><br><br>
You might also consider other alternatives to shampoo besides bs/acv. I did that routine for several months and over time I found it was a little too extreme for my hair, no matter how much I diluted. I now use conditioner washes (not all-natural, but much gentler on the hair) and Indian herbal washes (all natural, renewable, inexpensive, and oh, so nice to my hair--some of the herbs are even reputed to slow graying and prevent hairfall) in rotation. The only reason I don't stick exclusively to herb washes is that I don't always leave myself enough time to brew up a batch.<br><br>
Even if you don't want long hair, I highly recommend <a href="http://www.longhaircommunity.com" target="_blank">www.longhaircommunity.com</a> for great info on natural haircare, as many of the member there have given up shampoo. Also, you can search member by their hairtype and see what other fine-haired folks use /do to prevent damage.
 

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I would suggest maybe taking a vitamin for stronger hair. I started to take the Hair, Skin and Nails from FUturebiotics a while ago, and I notice a difference. They suggest taking three pills a day, but I only take one. HTH!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It might be other things that are too rough on your fine hair besides just your washing method. Maybe brushing is too hard on it. I've given up my brush for a seamless comb. I got mine at <a href="http://www.tenderheaded.com" target="_blank">www.tenderheaded.com</a><br><br>
You might also consider other alternatives to shampoo besides bs/acv. I did that routine for several months and over time I found it was a little too extreme for my hair, no matter how much I diluted. I now use conditioner washes (not all-natural, but much gentler on the hair) and Indian herbal washes (all natural, renewable, inexpensive, and oh, so nice to my hair--some of the herbs are even reputed to slow graying and prevent hairfall) in rotation. The only reason I don't stick exclusively to herb washes is that I don't always leave myself enough time to brew up a batch.<br><br>
Even if you don't want long hair, I highly recommend <a href="http://www.longhaircommunity.com" target="_blank">www.longhaircommunity.com</a> for great info on natural haircare, as many of the member there have given up shampoo. Also, you can search member by their hairtype and see what other fine-haired folks use /do to prevent damage.</div>
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What are the Indial herbal washes that you use?
 

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so that you know what I'm doing. Have you been to the long hair community? You should go. Even though you might not be growing your hair long, there is so much information there that would help you immediately.<br><br>
First off, I wash maybe once or twice a week. Anymore than that and it is overkill. I am training my scalp to not have to be washed so often.<br><br>
I took a nail file and rubbed down those little seams in my comb. It still isn't great though and buying a seamless one would be best (that sharp little seam cuts hair and makes splits) as well as a boar bristle brush. It has the ability to pull oils from the scalp to the ends. You use it differently than a regular brush though, you brush from the top down.<br><br>
You should always wear it organized during the day and at night (except for special occasions). Wearing it down and on the back of your clothes causes for the most rubbing of the folicle and breakage. Braiding it, rolling it in socks, bunning it and plopping it or using a satin weave bonnet or pillow case will save your hair at night. During the daythe wind and just about everything else grabs your hair and does lots to it. I wear my hair down on Sundays to tribute my Goddess and maybe once more during the week.<br><br>
I use jojoba (2 drops) rubbed in my hands and spread over my hair (ears down) to strengthen the tips and make them soft. I do this every night and most mornings as well.<br><br>
Use a mild face wash, as you are usually getting at least some in your hair. I use oil which works wonders on my acne prone in T zone area, dry every where else face. This has caused the most significant hair growth (or perhaps stunted the hair loss) around my face. HOW NICE!!!!<br><br>
I also only brush in the morning to organize my hair and at night to organize it. It is very easy and causes less damage.<br><br>
I don't use clips and things that tug at my hair (those little metal ones that you push in from the sides and it flips open...they are EVIL!!).<br><br>
Take care of your nails. If you run your fingesr through your hair, think of how many tiny cuts you are making in it with dry and sharp nails. It is hard but worth it.<br><br>
I also don't let dp put his dirty unkept hands in my hair. It just inspires him to let me clean his nails and clip them and put vitamin E on them.<br><br>
Um, lets see, I also don't use shampoo AT ALL. The night before I was, I always put lots of coconut oil in my hair and braid it and go to sleep. This makes sure the hair is at least once a week revitalized by the oil (hair is finicky, your hair might not allow much oil in it during a regular basis, but put in and washed out will heal a lot) and wash it out with conditioner only in the morning. Then I SMT (Snowy's moisturizing treatment) which is 1/2 VO5 Sun Kissed Rasberry Conditioner (I use Lime), 1/4 honey and 1/4 clear aloe vera gel. Put it on your hair and then stick your hair in a shower cap for an hour. You'll need to leave a towel around your neck to catch any drips. Sometimes, I put a towel in the dryer and have it warm to wrap around my shower cap so that it soaks in more.<br><br>
Then I wash it out with warm water for about 5 minutes and I rinse with about 3 tbsp of ACV in a whole empty shampoo bottle of water. That is about the right ph of your scalp naturally. Then you should always rinse with cold water to seal up the hair so it is strong. Also, NEVER EVER EVER use hot water or take heating tools to your hair. It does a lot of damage. I don't even use my blow fryer anymore (that wasn't a typo).<br><br>
Once I rinse, I put my hands firmly against my forehead and push down and back to kind of squeeze the water out of my hair. I will do nothing but put a towel over my shoulders and let my hair drip dry onto it. Don't towel, don't comb, don't twist.<br><br>
Once damp, I put a small squirt of aloe vera gel into my hand and run my fingers over my hair and into the ends to make sure they are protected. I let dry for a few more minutes and then put about 6 drops of jojoba or coconut oil from the ears down in my hair to make it detangle easier. Then I use a great paddle brush (with cushion under the plastic bristles) to detangle my hair. Then I use a boar bristle brush and let it go. It dries and my natural curl is preserved and my hair looks and feels great.<br><br>
Sorry this is a novel, pm me if you have any questions.<br><br>
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Olivia
 

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wow, thanks to the OP for this topic and Olivia for such sn informative post! I'm bookmarking it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 
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