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Just curious about whether anyone went to (or is at -- I think today is the last day) this year's ICAN conference and is willing to report back on how it went. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Well, what exactly would you like to know about? There's a lot that went on, but at the same time, the information shared was not especially groundbreaking for anyone who keeps up with the ICAN list and/or VBAC research. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Actually, in a way it was a bit sad (to me), because it was the 25th anniversary, and yet the birth climate and c-sections rates are worse than ever.
 

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Well, mostly I was wondering about the speakers. I admit I have a particular interest because Dr. Landon is my OB/GYN so I was wondering if anyone saw him and how his talk went. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Unfortunately, we got there a bit late on Friday, so I missed most of Dr. Wagner's talk (but from what I understand, it was similar to what he writes about, so I bought his book, "Born in the U.S.A."). Dr. Landon gave an interesting talk on vaginal birth after multiple sections with lots and lots of statistics, coming out firmly in support of VBAC and showing the dangers of cumulative sections. However, a question during the Q & A portion unitentionally came off as hostile toward him, and I think ICAN may have to work at keeping him as an ally. Maybe you can ask him what he thought? Sharon Storton's talk about post-trauma and sections made a lot of sense for the sadness that so many of us feel; I may have been too tired to follow it closely enough. Diane Wiessinger gave a talk on bonding immediately after birth which explains why so many sectioned women have trouble breastfeeding/bonding (it was very similar to a talk I heard her give at an LLL conference). The presidents' panel had the past and current presidents talking about the major issues they dealt with during their leadership, and sadly reflected how much worse the birth situation keeps getting in the United States. Henci Goer's talk was very similar to the information in her books ("Thinking Woman's Guide"), with some updated statistics, quotes from OBs indicating their real priorities, and some fun quotes of her own (notably, "There are lies, damned lies and then there's ACOG." - I hope that isn't a UA violation). Nancy Wainer's talk included a wonderful slide show of birthing women and anecdotes about them, stressed the role of doulas and their importance in protecting women from hospital interventions, the importance of choosing to see midwives instead of surgeons for most births, and more, mostly sad, reflections comparing the birth climate 25 years ago to today. The concurrent sessions were more personal, with more participation from attendees rather than the presenters only - (I attended the HBAC, CBAC and Chiropractic ones). And even though it was 70+ degrees in Syracuse, there were patches of snow on the ground. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> If you are on the ICAN list, I'm sure there will soon be a lot more posts about the conference soon.
 

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I really liked Dr. Landon's talk. I didn't think I'd be interested, since I already knew the results of his research, but I was pleasantly surprised.<br><br>
I thought the speakers were great, overall. I LOVED Diane Wiessinger's discussion of mammalian birth and how it relates to our human (still mammal) experiences.<br><br>
I was also deeply saddened by what I learned at the conference. Maybe I'm oblivious or maybe I've been lucky, but I didn't realize just how bad the birth climate in this country truly is.
 

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Thanks for posting this, I was curious too.<br>
I was there as an exhibitor, so unfortunately I caught very very little of the sessions -little snipits here & there- and I was wondering what everyone's take on it was.
 

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Thanks for the updates! I just had an appointment with Dr. L this morning and he said he thinks things went fairly well. He seemed positive about the whole experience. He said he had interesting talks with Henci Goer and Marsden Wagner, from whom he got a signed copy of <i>Born in the USA</i>. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
He also mentioned that he's currently involved in a lengthy research study, due to wind up relatively soon, on treatment of GDM and whether it affects outcomes, so that should be pretty interesting.
 

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While I loved being there -- and meeting several of you (but sorry, I can't match your user names w/ your faces/real names) -- I guess I was hoping for more suggestions, calls to action, or at least things we can try! It seemed like a lot of it was rehashed information. Around here, like in many places, we just don't have the choices or options, not even factoring in insurance issues. You can birth with a doctor in a hospital or you can UA at home. A chapter member with us talked to Diane W after the convention was over and she said "it's time"...we need to reach out and combine forces with people like Le Leche...<br><br>
I guess I left still feeling distraught over the situation here.<br><br>
Kelly
 

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I loved the conference, although I have to admit that a big part of that was being able to finally meet so many of the women I get support from on the ICAN list.<br><br>
Sharon Storton's presentation didn't make much of an impression on me, unfortunately. At that point, I was so exhausted that I couldn't really take it in.<br><br>
I enjoyed all the other presentations, with the "not expecting much and totally blown away" award going to Diane Wiessinger. I wish I could remember her entire presentation verbatim, so I could spread the word. She was awesome. This perspective needs to be spread far and wide.<br><br>
When the presidents panel got started and Esther Zorn mentioned that the section rate when ICAN (CPM) was founded was 17%, I just wanted to cry. I have to admit that it didn't even make me angry (that came later) - it just made me want to cry...so much work by so many women for so many years, and the section rate has basically doubled.<br><br>
Nancy Wainer's talk was wonderful. She was basically called on to do a retrospective of the last 25 years, and she's not really happy about where we're at. Her slideshow of women who homebirthed when the doctors wanted to cut them was <i>very</i> inspiring for me as a woman who is three months pregnant with her HBA3C baby!<br><br>
Jan: I'm glad to hear that Dr. Landon was positive about the conference. I was <i>very</i> pleased to hear an OB actually come out in favour of VBAC <i>and</i> women's right to choose their birth. I'm sure I wouldn't agree with him about everything, but if I actually needed an OB for some reason, he'd be my first choice right now. I think he actually grasps the meaning of "evidence-based".<br><br><br>
I haven't even touched on the breakout sessions, but I'm feeling really emotionally "done" this week. Between the travel exhaustion/jet lag - and being low on sleep, due to being in <i>that room</i> (7 women, 2 babies) - and the emotional highs and lows...well, I'm still pretty wiped out.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for posting this, I was curious too.<br>
I was there as an exhibitor, so unfortunately I caught very very little of the sessions -little snipits here & there- and I was wondering what everyone's take on it was.</div>
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Bah! I was so disappointed that there was no time to check out the exhibitors, auction, raffle, art room, etc. I was constantly running from sessions to nursing and I feel like I missed out on so much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I probably should have skipped a breakout session or two. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:
 

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I am so sad that I could not go. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> It sounds like it was wonderful. I think it may be time to undo the no mail for the main list. How will I ever keep up with MDC and ICAN?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">...being in <i>that room</i> (7 women, 2 babies) - and the emotional highs and lows...well, I'm still pretty wiped out.</div>
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Oh wow, you were in that room? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I think everyone at the conference heard about that.<br><br>
Lizziejackie, I agree with you... I enjoyed the conference (and it has helped tremendously in getting my husband to understand that our only real choice is to plan HBAC for any future babies), but there was very little new information for me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh wow, you were in that room? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I think everyone at the conference heard about that.</div>
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I think everyone in the conference dropped by at least once! It was a little...nuts.<br><br>
On the other hand, it meant I got to know possibly the sweetest baby at the whole conference. And, I had a baby beside me when I went to sleep both nights (different baby). It made me miss my kids even more - leaving my not-quite-two-year-old was torture - but it also made it easier. Babies are very healing.<br><br>
I'm still not quite caught up on sleep, and I seem to have caught a cold on the plane. I wonder if they could have the next conference here...I don't travel well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 
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