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<ul><li>Do you think the mother offering up her child's arm in Africa or other developing country knows anything about thimerosal?<br></li>
<li>Did you know that children living in developing countries are receiving the same amount of thimerosal American children once received . . . and sometimes in a shorter period of time?<br></li>
<li>Did you know our tax dollars are being spent to supply full strength thimerosal-laced vaccines to children in these developing countries? Bill and Melinda's money too . . . and the beloved UNICEF.<br></li>
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Not only are these vaccines being agressively pushed in <b>developing</b> countries and compliance rates for these vaccines are increasing annually, but they are being administered in doses containing <span style="color:#FF0000;">full strength thimerosal</span> because it is cheaper to manufacture and easier to store these multi-dose vials.<br><br>
Unfortunately, unlike the United States, there are no parent advocacy groups in these countries demanding the removal of thimerosal.<br><br><br>
State of the World's Vaccines and Immunization<br><a href="http://www.who.int/vaccines-documents/DocsPDF04/wwwSOWV_E.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/vaccines-document.../wwwSOWV_E.pdf</a>
 

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<i>With an additional US $1 billion per year immunization could save ten million more lives in a decade.<br><br>
If countries achieve these goals, by 2015, <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b>more than 70 million children</b></span> who live in the world’s poorest countries will receive <b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">each year</span></b> life-saving vaccines against the following diseases: tuberculosis, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, rubella, yellow fever, haemophilus influenzae type B, hepatitis B, polio, rotavirus, pneumococcus, meningococcus, and Japanese encephalitis.</i><br><br><a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr70/en/index.html/" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/...en/index.html/</a><br><br>
FTR, Japanese encephalitis vaccine contains thimerosal. There is currently no thimerosal free JE vaccine licensed for use anywhere, including the United States. In fact, the California thimerosal ban <span style="text-decoration:underline;">exempts</span> JE vaccine for children under the age of three.
 

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is there really no international awareness campaign for this? i know US advocacy groups have done alot. have they not expanded at all?<br>
is NO ONE really watching out for the world's children? i mean, who do you start a letter writing campaign to? sounds like it would be right up your alley LI! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
this is just so very sad...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">is there really no international awareness campaign for this?</div>
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Not that I'm aware. You would think the biggest promoter, supplier and liason for vaccination in un/underdeveloped countries would do their job, hmmm? That would be <span style="color:#FF0000;"><b>UNICEF</b></span>. According to their website, they are the single largest buyer of vaccines.<br><br>
But UNICEF is like the March of Dimes . . . they won't alienate their biggest cash cow for donations . . . pharma. And they certainly don't want to piss off the World Health Organization. They are fully aware the vaccines they purchase and administer are loaded with thimerosal, but make no attempt to do the right thing.<br><br>
Here's a portion of UNICEF'S mission statement:<br><br><i>UNICEF is the driving force that helps build a world where the rights of every child are realized. <b>We have the global authority to influence decision-makers, and the variety of partners at grassroots level to turn the most innovative ideas into reality.</b> That makes us unique among world organizations, and unique among those working with the young.<br><br>
We advocate for measures to give children the best start in life, because proper care at the youngest age forms the strongest foundation for a person’s future.<br></i>
 

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I read an article about this recently and finished it with a sick feeling in my stomach.<br>
Basically it costs 1/2 as much to make the bigger multi use packages of vaccines BUT in order to preserve these thimerisol must be used.<br><br>
Basically the article stated that either they get thimerisol laced vaccines or can't afford any.<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Basically the article stated that either they get thimerisol laced vaccines or can't afford any.</div>
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UNICEF can afford it. Here's a list of their corporate partners . . . thousands of them, including pharma: <a href="http://www.unicef.org/corporate_partners/index_25124.html" target="_blank">http://www.unicef.org/corporate_part...dex_25124.html</a><br><br>
This list does not include those donators (individual and corporate) whose contributions are under $100,000 . . . there are a boatload (several boatloads) more not even mentioned here.<br><br>
They known about the thimerosal "issue" for almost a decade at the very least.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">UNICEF can afford it. Here's a list of their corporate partners . . . thousands of them, including pharma: <a href="http://www.unicef.org/corporate_partners/index_25124.html" target="_blank">http://www.unicef.org/corporate_part...dex_25124.html</a><br><br>
This list does not include those donators (individual and corporate) whose contributions are under $100,000 . . . there are a boatload (several boatloads) more not even mentioned here.<br><br>
They known about the thimerosal "issue" for almost a decade at the very least.</div>
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Don't think for a second that i believe anything about what I typed! This was simply the reason given in the article.<br>
I don't think all the money in the world is worth injecting one of the most poisonous chemicals around into unknowing people!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Don't think for a second that i believe anything about what I typed! This was simply the reason given in the article.<br>
I don't think all the money in the world is worth injecting one of the most poisonous chemicals around into unknowing people!<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:</div>
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Oh, I didn't think you were agreeing with . . . I'm very glad you posted it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I just wanted to counter what the article said.
 

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I wish I could keep myself better composed sometimes, but this is the last earful that bill and mel's foundation got from yours truly, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> :<br><br><i>I thank you sincerely for taking the time to reply with the information below. I find it interesting that an entity, entrusted with the health and welfare of so many individuals, would be so cavalier about acceptance of and agreement with the stance that fixing vaccines costs too much money, as per the WHO.<br><br>
Seeds of haste yield poor crops. I'd go with clean water. Wouldn't sanitation and nutrition be prudent? I guess that is not your dragon to slay, so I'll get right to the point: Preservative free single use vials still contain trace amounts of mercury, and more troubling, increased amounts of aluminum. I'd encourage you to further investigate impairment of cholinergic neurons, and gaba and glutamate systems failures, all induced by aluminum. I'd further strongly encourage your organization to implement a tracking system and/or longitudinal studies of the individuals receiving single use formulations. Things to be looking for: a rise in learning disabilities, early onset dementia that will most likely mimic Alzheimer's type dementia, only it will affect adolescent populations, and I'd also look for diabetes. You'll most likely see adolescent depression, and back and fourth over bipolar vs. schizophrenia diagnoses, once they are in their late teens. Let's not forget about the skin rashes and itch nodules, as those will be most easily apparent and measurable in the short term. Remember, if that is what is easily visible on the outside, imagine what is happening on the inside to the digestive tract and to many parts of the brain.<br><br>
I appreciate that the WHO is at least honest in their admission that fixing vaccines costs too much money, but moreso, I find it extremely disheartening and disturbing that they value dyed bits of paper over real human lives, real people, and that other organizations are in full support of such an absurd stance. Perhaps a review the CDC's own data is in order-it illustrates clearly, with charts and graphs, that most of these vaccine preventable diseases were, worldwide, on the decline on their own anyway, and that further, the introduction of vaccines correlates with the rise in incidences of these diseases resurfacing. Based on that data, one could reasonably hypothesize that the vaccines caused the diseases. Your admission that you do use the single use units in the name of safety, acknowledges that they are a perceived safer alternative to multidose vials, yet you will continue to use mutidose vials also. One in every six kids is affected by those mercury filled multidose vials, worldwide, for life. This blatant disregard for safety is the crux of our problem!<br><br>
You've answered many questions, though. I see now that your organization is in it for the stick and split. You want to drop in, jab some kids, pat yourselves on the back for a great humanitarian job well done, then fine. I hope you do save some lives, really I do. Problem is, you are sentencing them to permanent brain damage in the name of "help" because it is too expensive to fix the real problems. These bandaid efforts never work, not in the long run. Never time to do something right, always time to do it over. Again, seeds of haste yield poor crops.<br><br>
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Can we see the "answers to the many questions" please? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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Here ya go!<br><br><i>Dear "phishmama",<br><br>
Thank you for writing to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.<br><br>
We appreciate your interest in the foundation's vaccine funding.<br><br>
The Foundation's vaccine funding isused to aid national immunization programs in seventy-two of the world's poorest countries to:<br><br>
* Strengthen immunization services needed to deliver basic vaccines, including those for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, tuberculosis, and polio<br><br>
* Introduce underused vaccines in areas where they are urgently needed, including vaccines for hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), and yellow fever<br><br>
* Accelerate the development and introduction of new vaccines in the pipeline, including vaccines for rotavirus, meningitis, and pneumococcus -- diseases that caused 2.1 million deaths in 2002<br><br>
* Ensure immunization safety by widely distributing single-use syringes<br><br>
The Foundation shares your concern over the safety and quality of the immunization programs that are supported under the auspices of the GAVI. As you may know, the GAVI partners have already taken a major step towards improving the safety of injections by supporting countries in their transition to the use of single use syringes for immunizations. This work has been pivotal, encouraging countries throughout the world to review their injection practices and make the necessary changes.<br><br>
With regards to the presence of Thiomersal in vaccines, GAVI relies on the best technical and scientific information and advice available. WHO has provided the needed advice through its Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety. Based upon the findings of this independent group of experts, GAVI partners will continue to support the use of vaccines that contain Thiomersal. For more details please refer to <a href="http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/thiomersal/questions/en/print.html" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/to.../en/print.html</a>.<br><br>
For information about GAVI you may view their Web site at <a href="http://www.vaccinealliance.org" target="_blank">www.vaccinealliance.org</a>. For information about the foundation's grant to GAVI you may visit our Web site at <a href="http://www.gatesfoundation.org" target="_blank">www.gatesfoundation.org</a>.<br><br>
Thank you again for your interest in the foundation's Global Health program.<br><br>
Sincerely,<br>
Stephanie Jones<br>
Grants Inquiry Administrator</i>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">* Ensure immunization safety by widely distributing <b>single-use syringes</b><br><br>
As you may know, the GAVI partners have already taken a major step towards improving the safety of injections by supporting countries in their transition to the use of <b>single use syringes</b> for immunizations.</div>
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Why are they emphasizing single-use syringes in their letter? While it's nice they're using single-<b>use</b> syringes, they're plugging those those syringes in MULTI-DOSE vials.
 

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The two terms, single use and single dose, often get interchanged. Regarless of confusion in terminology by either party (ahem), they clearly state that they are continuing to use multi dose anyway, so it is all kinda moot. That is why I "good day'ed" them.
 

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I'm hardly pro-vax, but I was happy to find out that my church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints (mormons) Use only mercury-free vaccines as well as vaccine that are do not use human tissue and actually pay extra money to make sure that the vaccines are properly refrigerated on the way. Although I do not support vaccines, I am glad that they are carefull about this.
 

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Oh, and are they making sure that the "single use" syringes, don't end up on the black market and create more millions of Hep B and AIDS victims than the EPI programme has already succeeded in creating????<br><br>
WHO's worst document which they took off thei website was called WHO GPV/97.05 and stated on pages 22 and 23, that
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Think about the logistics, the people, the money, the taking away from an early fragile medical system that billions of jabs, cold chain protection, paper work etc, will require? Think of the millions of dollars going into the hands of WESTERN share markets?Then further on the same document says
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And people wonder why some people consider it unethical to give to UNICEF.<br><br>
In you put "unsafe injections" in a WHO search engine it will retrieve 1430 references.<br><br>
Here are some from the first page:<br><br>
WHO simonsen 1999<br><br><a href="http://www.who.int/injection_safety/toolbox/en/Simonsen.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/injection_safety/...n/Simonsen.pdf</a><br><br>
who ****** 1999<br><br><a href="http://www.who.int/injection_safety/toolbox/en/******.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/injection_safety/.../en/******.pdf</a><br><br>
who crab 2003<br><br><a href="http://whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/2003/Vol81-No4/bulletin_2003_81(4)_307-310.pdf" target="_blank">http://whqlibdoc.who.int/bulletin/20...4)_307-310.pdf</a><br><br>
April 2002<br><br><a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs231/en/print.html" target="_blank">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/facts.../en/print.html</a>
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yikes">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">: some of the people getting those vaccines and believing in them totally are my family members in a developing country. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl">: gosh i knew nothing of this. didnt even think of it. my cousin is going to have his first baby early next year.
 

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Unfortuntely meemee, ignorance isn't bliss. Worse still, those people who get those diseases from recycled single dose syringes from whatever source, be it WHO EPI or unicef needles sold on the black market, are rarely told where they got their "new" disease from.
 

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mt not that i was aware of any of this till now - but i cant remember ever reading about the dangers of thimerosal in vaccines back in my other life.<br><br>
and yet there was so much info around about the poisonings in japan.<br><br>
i was just doing some research adn they actually did test trials for the japanse encep. recently.<br><br>
oh yeah i can totally see the sweeping under the carpet policy.
 
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