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What information would you choose to give? What are some key things do you think parents should think about before vaccinating their child? Of course, this table would be showcasing the "other" info that is left out of the guilt-inducing pamphlets that public health gives out... but how would you limit the info?<br><br>
I find it so overwhelming all the information that is out there, trustworthy or not, and have a hard time even thinking about a starting point. I start thinking of things like vaccine risks, studies, effectiveness, ingredients, the actual diseases, etc...but then I keep thinking of MORE stuff and I can't seem to limit it at all!<br><br>
What would you consider the basics?? I know I am one amongst so many who are overwhelmed by the info out there...but I'm trying to think back to my "pre-research" thinking, and the key things that made me start questioning vaccines.
 

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*Info about exemptions<br>
*Lists of books/websites/journal articles for people to take home<br>
*Some of the more shocking statistics displayed somehow<br>
*Info about VAERS<br>
*Maybe a printout by someone a little more "mainstream"- like if you can find an exerpt from the new Dr. Sears vax book or something<br>
*Hard numbers, maybe in chart/graph form. # of cases of diseases, when the vax was introduced, # of VAERS reports, etc.<br>
*Info about both Rota shots<br><br>
Anything that makes a person pause and think, "That can't be right... let me check into that." kwim?<br><br>
Is this a theoretical ?, or something you're really doing?
 

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I'd get my hands on as many package inserts from the actual vaccine companies as possible (these should be available at your doctor's practice or <a href="http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm" target="_blank">www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm</a>.) Sometimes the info in the manufacturer's inserts are the most shocking of all! (The MMR insert, as I understand, states that women who are pregnant or nursing should be very cautious about getting the rubella vaccine, yet it's routinely given to all pregnant/nursing mothers with 'low immunity'!) If people see that even the manufacturer's themselves have to state some concern, that might help them out of the 'internet rumour' mentality.<br><br>
EDITED TO ADD: Bingo, found it (just as an example):<br><i>"Nursing Mothers<br>
It is not known whether measles or mumps vaccine virus is secreted in human milk. Recent studies<br>
have shown that lactating postpartum women immunized with live attenuated rubella vaccine may secrete<br>
the virus in breast milk and transmit it to breast-fed infants.49 In the infants with serological evidence of<br>
rubella infection, none exhibited severe disease; however, one exhibited mild clinical illness typical of<br>
acquired rubella.50,51 <b>Caution should be exercised when M-M-R II is administered to a nursing woman.</b>"</i><br><br>
VAERS is good too. Try VAERS-like surveilance organisations for other countries too. (Can't think of any names off the top of my head, but most countries have something in place, I think.)<br><br>
As for my early vaccine thinking, I read The Vaccine Guide by Randall Neusdaedter, which really got me on the road to thinking more deeply about the issue, but I don't suppose that helps much since you can't really photocopy stuff like that for copyright reasons.
 

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The Sears vax book isn't out until October now, according to the email I got from them. Just wanted to help you so you're not looking for something that's not there, like I was. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I would have sheets stating exactly what the vaccine mandates are in your state for school. This would be a real eye opener to most parents who just think they "have to". You can get that at the NVIC site, I think. Then I would type something of a clarification in everyday terms so people understand that they have rights when it comes to the health of their children.<br><br>
I would also put a sheet out with links to all the good sites, like Dr. Sears, Dr. Jay Gordon, NVIC, and others. I am not a fan of *********, but if you want to use that one, it does have lots of info. You can include the delayed schedule from Lew Rockwell, too. Or also a sheet with titles of different books, like Dr. Neustadter, Dr. Cave, Dr. Mendelsohn, and Aviva Jill Romm. I would also include the one... oh someone help me... about the link between thimerisol and autism.. I am totally drawing a blank. George Clooney just got the movie rights... Gee whiz, I am having a pregnancy brain moment! And a Shot in the Dark. Oh, and see if you can find the Simpsonwood transcript! That would be good.<br><br>
If I think of the name of that book I will come back...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">*Info about exemptions<br>
*Lists of books/websites/journal articles for people to take home<br>
*Some of the more shocking statistics displayed somehow<br>
*Info about VAERS<br>
*Maybe a printout by someone a little more "mainstream"- like if you can find an exerpt from the new Dr. Sears vax book or something<br>
*Hard numbers, maybe in chart/graph form. # of cases of diseases, when the vax was introduced, # of VAERS reports, etc.<br>
*Info about both Rota shots<br><br>
Anything that makes a person pause and think, "That can't be right... let me check into that." kwim?<br><br>
Is this a theoretical ?, or something you're really doing?</div>
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Does anyone have a link to the Dr. Sears vax book? I can't find it on their website, darnit! Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I love Dr. Sears!<br><br>
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Still is there a link about what's coming? Or someone could email me their email newsletter that mentions it?
 

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Some sort of pamphlet summarizing the studies showing the effectiveness of vaccinations; i.e. pertussis vax doesn't really work. Pointing out that live vaccines spread disease. Personally I would stay away from hot button issues like autism just because people are numb to it. The fetal cell stuff is always good that is a pretty good hook that most people are unaware of.
 

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Definitely you need info about exemptions and delayed scheduals. Let parents know that they don't "have to" vax, and that they can say no to vaxes for now even if they haven't made any long-term decisions about vaccinations yet.<br><br>
Include information on how "deadly" all these vaccine-preventable illnesses aren't. Parents won't rush out to get vaccines, even with Dr pressure, if they don't fear the diseases being vaccinated against.
 

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<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"> Something I'm really doing. So far anyone who I've given information to has appreciated it, so I am really just trying to give people more resources and such. I have a chart that I made of the vaccine ingredients, people are always fascinated (disgusted?) with that one. Can you print out forms from VAERS? That would be good.<br><br>
And things like excerpts from books and stuff, what are the copyright issues with that?
 

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If you have time, I'd make a list of books, indicating which local libraries own copies, and which books can be purchased online or at local bookstores.<br><br>
Copyright generally doesn't like people copying other people's stuff and handing it out...but you can quote very brief passages from books to give people an idea of the content.
 

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Where or where are there graphs of disease incidence starting from long before the vaccines were introduced???? Googling this has given me nothing so far.
 

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I would probably have:<br><br>
Current recommended infant,teen,adult schedules.<br><br>
Actual vaccine inserts.<br><br>
VAERS forms and VAERS faq pamphlet.<br><br>
Pamphlet about the National vaccine injury compensation program,and what is required to file a injury/death claim.<br><br>
Sheet that just lists the ingredients for each of the currently recommended vaccines.<br><br>
Copy of vaccine exemption law for my state,and perhaps some local school exemption forms along with an example of a notarized affidavit exemption letter.<br><br>
Perhaps a sheet titled<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/neg.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="negative">f you vaccinate please do the following....<br><br>
1.Keep detailed records of the vaccines your child gets at each visit.<br>
This includes the brand name and lot number for each vaccine.Include the date given,where on the body,and who gave the vaccine.<br><br>
2.Have copies made of your childs medical files from pregnancy to current date.<br><br>
3.Record all illnesses and unusual behavior that occur during the initial vaccinating years(0-5) not just for the week following a vaccine.<br><br>
4.File a VAERS report for any reactions you feel should be reported.<br><br>
5.Create a vaccine schedule you are comfortable with.<br><br>
6.Give only the vaccines you want your child to have.<br><br>
7. If injury or death occurs file a claim with the NVICP.On average it takes 7 years for a claim to be processed if it makes it past the initial sorting.<br><br>
8.Have titers checked before giving a booster does.
 

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a chart/graph showing cases of diseases like polio, diptheria, measles, etc, when the vax was develed/used widely etc... and the extremely interesting bit about how the <i>pet industry</i> a: got rid of thimersol in vaxes <i>10 years before the medical community</i> b: now recommends vaccines no more than ever 3 years and in some cases just once (where it used to be yearly booster shots), because of the known risks of vaccines!!
 
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