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Oh Mama's,<br>
I am so afraid that Elle is going to get some terrible disease. I am so afraid of Meningitis and HIB. I am so afraid that I can't think about anything else. I have done my homework and I am also terrified of the vax's too but I just don't know what to do. I KNOW that the chance of her getting deathly ill is very slim but it could happen and I am just so afraid. What if I have been making the wrong choices? Every time she cries or gets crabby for no reason at all I get SO scared. I start reading on the internet and get even more scared. Please I need advice, I have discussed it with my dh and he dosen't know what to do either. I have had a gut feeling since the first time they wanted to inject her with the hep B vax that vaxing is not safe and so we have not vaxed her with anything. But now my fears are raising above my gut feeling and I just feel very overwhelmed. I wish vax's came without risk because honestly I would sleep better and breathe better if I knew she was vaxed. I just don't know what to do.<br>
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These are very normal first-time mama feelings.<br><br>
I worried about similar things.<br><br>
Read, learn and study all that you can.<br><br>
What is right for one family may not be right for another.<br><br>
Please try to relax if you can. I know I am older and it may seem easy for me to say, but even my dad (and he is waaaay older, an old hippie, LOL) told me not too long ago, "Worry is nothing but a useless emotion."<br><br>
Bottom line, you are the mama, you and your husband have to do what is best for your family. Trust your own feelings.<br><br><br>
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Boy, there sure is a lot out there trying to scare us as moms, isn't there?<br><br>
On the two that you mentioned, those are both new vaxes. We weren't vaxed for them. Did you worry about them as a child? Did you know anyone who got them?<br><br>
that is what helps me on all the new vaxes. I figure if we weren't vaxed for it and we never worried about it, it can't be all that bad (or common)<br><br>
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Hindsight is such a lovely thing. I only wish I knew as much when my first children were born as I know now. If I could go back & do it all over, I'd be much more relaxed & confident & they'd have had much healthier infancies/toddlerhoods. Such is life.<br><br>
My experience with my children has taught me that they are far more likely to get mild illnesses that we have no vaxes for anyhow. Also, it has taught me that there are many, many ways to prevent and treat illnesses. So along those lines, you might want to arm yourself so that you feel more confident -- what are all the things you can do at home to prevent colonization/infection with those bacteria that may cause meningitis under just the right conditions? Infection with those bacteria tends to follow viral infection, so what can you do at home to prevent viral infections from causing damage that allows the bacteria access? What would you be able to do in the event she did get a bacterial infection?<br><br>
If you haven't read it already, some helpful info is in this article:<br><a href="http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/YFH/20048-vaccines-bacterial.htm" target="_blank">http://www.naturalfamilyonline.com/Y...-bacterial.htm</a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> Don't let fear paralyze you.
 

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Thanks everyone!!<br><br>
Here is a quote from the link that amnesiac posted I have a question about it...<br><br>
"Some of the bacteria these vaccines strive to eradicate are actually carried as part of the normal flora in some people and never cause any illness. Individuals who have an unhealthy normal flora balance or those who are compromised in some way -- inadequate nutrition, stress, injury or immune system suppression -- are most likely to get sick from these opportunistic bacteria."<br><br>
My dd is dealing with food intolerances right now and suffers from frequent mucousy diarrhea. She has not gained any weight (at 9 months she is 14 pounds 9 ounces) in over a month and a a half. Would this be considered "inadequate nutrition"? She still exclusivly breastfed at this time and my diet (dairy and soy restricted) consists of mosty organic vegetarian meals for breakfest and lunch, fruits, veggies, and meats for dinner. I take a calcium supliment, prenatal vitamin and 500 mg's of vitamin C every day. My concern is that since she is having these loose stools (9 so far today <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> however that is not her norm usually 2 a day or so) she is not absorbing all of the nutrients from my breastmilk. So is she still considered healthy? Would she have any protection from the bad bacteria? Her blood count is normal and so far all of her stool tests have come back normal, we are just waiting on the last one to tell us if she can tolerate carbs and to check her pancreas function.<br>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> I can sooooo relate to this. I, too, live in fear and this seems to put a damper on things sometimes. Also, you said you took dairy out of your diet...assuming your daughter is allergic? I know there are dairy based items in some of the vaxes. Something to consider. Also, you are breatsfeeding which helps protect from HIB. I'm seding you a PM.
 

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if your dd is having issues with food tolerance and diarrhea right now, the last thing you would want to do is vax. this would probably cause more harm than good.<br><br>
i would do some minor, everyday things to start with. do a good onceover on the house (take it in parts, not all at once), make handwashing a habit, and when you go out, take along a bottle of kissaluvs diaper lotion, or a mixture of tea tree oil and water (not commercial antibacterial products) to use for washing hands or doing a quick wipe on things she may come in contact with. (these are things you probably already do, i don't know, just suggesting things).<br><br>
as for the food tolerance issues, i wish i had some kind of advice, but all i can offer is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2">
 

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Is she exclusively nursing? Is she sensitive to your milk? If so, wheat is a HUGE allergen, my ds would really react to it.....if I had a bite of bread, he'd suffer. If she's eating wheat at all, that could do it. Obviously dairy as well. Allergies are so tough to figure out.<br><br>
Have you tried the elimination diet yet?<br><br>
My ds2 has food allergies (wheat/dairy), and that is another reason that I won't vax......he is so sensitive to food, I can't even imagine what all that garbage would do to him<br><br>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> I know exactly how you feel. I'm going through the exact same emotions with my DD. I fight back and forth with myself, trying to figure out what to do about vaxes. I don't want to vax her, but I don't want to not vax her - if that makes any sense.
 

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I too want to send some support and a cyber hug!<br>
I worried about menigitis, too. And it didn't help that while I began my research there were some cases..one in a day-care and one in a high school on my local news at that time..I remember the fear..and wanting someone to just give me a sign what to do.<br>
I took all of my books and articles and links to someone I trusted who could help me..for me it was my mom..I told her "read all of this and then tell me what you think"..then I questioned her.."well what about this, this"..I took a leaning more toward doing it approach (which I was closer to at that point) and she pointed out things that helped me realize it was not worth the risk for baby..the biggest thing was the heightened risk of Hib menigitis soon after the shot..yikes..the thing I was most afraid of I would put her at a higher risk of by doing the one thing that was supposed to safeguard.<br>
I learned what to watch for..like you say about her being crabby...I watched for fever and disposition changes..I felt that being tuned into that..when it came up..and there was a serious change..I would have ample time to take the proper treatment action.<br>
And that has worked. Dd is 16 months old and has had some sniffles and a bout with a cough..rarely has fever and never high enough that I've been worried..she was a chunk-butt..so I don't have knowledge about weight gain<br>
or b-feeding stuff and allergies..but I'm sure you pms or other mamas will.<br>
You are doing just fine!!<br>
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I understand your fear, I remember fearing this as a first time mom. Except with all the pressure from my doctor I gave in and allowed them to vaccinate not only my first but my second son (both "on schedule") now the are both severly delayed due to the mercury and I will never forgive myself for vaxxing them. I have a perfect little 6 month old son who has never been injected with poison and is right on track developmentally....all I can say is if you feel bad now you will feel even worse later of your child has a reaction like mine did....the guilt is terrible. Knowing I held them down while the doctor vaccinated them and poisoned them....be strong momma. You little one needs you to protect her. *hugs*
 

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Then vax her. A mama needs to make her own decisions. Zillions of kids ARE vaccinated with no adverse affects. Do what you and your family needs to do to sleep at night.<br><br>
My son had his first years vax's. I couldn't stand how sick he got after each one, even when they were seperated. I also suspected that his crazy mean streak was caused by the vax's. So, we didn't do his 15 months vax. We WILL when his little body is better able to deal. Like at 3yrs.
 

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I understand you are trying to help vegiemom - but how will op sleep at night if her child has a reation? Or worries that in 2 years her child will be learning disabled? ONce those vax go in you can not unvax them.<br>
Aside from that it would be a very bad idea to vaccinate a child with an unknown food allergy/gut issue.<br><br>
Mama is worried now because she has not vaccinated, probably worries every day that this child will get sick, like we all have. BUT every day when her child has another day without illness mama's strength and belief in her child's immune system will grow stronger and the fear over disease will decrease. IF she vaccinates I would guess every day she will worry "what have I done to my child - will she suffer any long term effcts?" and from this there is no escape. I knoW BECAUSE vaccines did "damage" my child, and I have to live with that.<br>
Are some kids fine with vaccines - absolutely, as far as short term goes at least. BUT some kids are NOT fine with vaccines - and we don't know who they are untill we have sacrificed them. My child is not an acceptable risk.<br><br><br>
OP - I would say you really need to get to the bottom of this mucousy diarrhea thing.<br>
Aside from going on an elimination diet yourself - I would try some baby acidophilis (if you can find a dairy free version), check out the source of your calcium supplement (is it dairy? could be shellfish which is quite an allergen) Also - perhaps you do not need so much Vit C for your baby. Excess Vit C is eliminated through loose stools, though I never heard it to be mucousy. Perhaps you need the extra C but it is too much for baby.<br><br>
How did you decide she was allergic to dairy and soy?<br><br>
If she has not gained any weight at all I would be concerned , although at least she is not losing weight. How old is she?<br><br>
I know it is a difficult decision NOT to vaccinate, aside from the fact that is totally against the current, nearly everyone will tell you vaccinating is necessary and good. What they do not tell you is that your baby is an acceptable risk/loss. I don't feel she is. They use scare tactics and misinformation to get people to vaccinate! Look at how they treat the flu! They spout all kinds of scary statistics like "36,000 people die each year from the flu" which is such bull, they leave out the figure is really 36,000 people die from flu AND pneumonia combined. They now even vaccinate pregnant women in any trimester for the flu! IT is ridiculous and scary! It is impossible to trust any organization that advocates this imo!<br><br>
Another thing to keep in mind is that vaccines are not anywhere near 100% effective, so even getting the vaccines does not insure immunity. AND ALL of us mamas would be considered unvaccinated for most of the diseases they vaccinate for now.
 

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Vaccines should NEVER be given any time soon after antibiotics are taken since the abx. destroy the intestinal flora which is a major immune system defense. If your child's intestinal flora are screwed up right now from food intolerances, that would make it that much easier for the junk in the vaxes to penetrate her intestinal walls and harm her.<br><br>
If you are living in fear of these diseases, then you have not done enough research about their treatments. Read, read, read all you can about how to support a child's immune system through each disease. Once you know that you will be able to aid your child in fighting these diseases with vitamins, homeopathy, nutrition, etc., you will no longer fear them. Actually, since vaxes are no where near 100% effective, all parents should be armed with this information.<br><br>
Also, has she been checked for celiac disease? Those frequent mucousy stools are a huge red flag for me. <a href="http://www.celiac.com" target="_blank">www.celiac.com</a> has lots of helpful info.<br><br>
Good luck to you in your decision.
 

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More Thanks Mama's!!!<br><br>
Ok more background...<br><br>
Elle started has had allergy symptoms since birth. She has always had circles under her eyes and a stuffy nose. I have had her to her ped for all of her regular visits and then some. I have always pointed out that I suspected an allergy of some kind but they always dismissed me. At 3 months she was diagnosed with Larangomalacia (floppy Larynx) that she has pretty much out grown. Still I pressed the allergy symoptoms at every visit but they assured me that she did not have allergies and that the stuffy nose was completly normal (small baby airways). Around 5 months she stopped sleeping good at night waking about every 25-45 minuets crying hysterically. I of course brought this up to the ped at her visits and was bagered over and ever again that it is because she does not sleep in a crib. Around 6 1/2 months is when the diarrhea started. She had diarrhea for over a month straight with a TERRIBLE diaper rash. We saw 3 different peds (same office) and got 3 different answers. Ped #1 "We've seen alot of this mucousy acidy diarrhea in 7 month olds slather her up with barrier cream and ride it out" Ped #2 " If she skipped a day or two between pooping she is not sick. Put saran wrap in her diaper over her terrible rash and collect her poop for testing." Ped #3 (after the worst pooping episode she has ever had green mucousy pouring out of her little body and I called the ped at 2 am) "It sounds like a dairy and soy intolerance you can cut that out of your diet or put her on formula" Well that was the last straw. I called a GI specialist (who is wonderful) and we have been seeing her. She diagnosed Elle with silent reflux (when I mentioned her symptoms to ped #2 she told me it was not reflux, it was because she does not sleep in a crib <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/FIREdevil.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="devil"> ) and she is now on Zantac. She agreed with the food allergy diagnosis and so I have been dairy and soy free for 8 weeks now. There has been the occasional accident like calling a company and being told that the "natural flavors" are dairy and soy free and so I ate something and Elle reacted and then the botch up with the rice cereal last week (it had soy and I didn't realize it because she ate it before with no reaction) so I think it is safe to say dairy and soy are both contributing factors but I am starting to wonder if it is more. We have seen improvment since I have been dairy and soy free but not 100% improvment and only a 1 pound weight gain since 6 months when this all started. The new ped we'll call her #4 said I need to start solids and bring her in for a weight check in a month. I am just so overwhelmed. I thank you all for the reassurance that vaxing her while she is having these tummy troubles would have been bad. That is my feeling also but I just get so scared sometimes. Yesterday was a really bad day, she ended up having 10 mucousy diapers by the end of the day and she has been so crabby for a whole week that I just started to panic and freak out. When my dh came home from work I just started crying and telling him how much pressure I am under and he helped me to feel better and then after reading all of your posts I feel so much better today. Elle is doing better today too!! She slept much better last night and she is her happy smiling self today which takes ten tons off my shoulders!! Thanks Mama's!!<br>
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I might sound ignorant, but I thought 9 month olds generally needed solids in addition to bm? If she's not gaining weight, couldn't this be the issue? Sorry if I'm completely clueless here. My girls were grabbing food and feeding themselves by this age, I would have had to hide it from them to stop them from eating it. Maybe I did something wrong, though I never saw any problems.<br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Elle started has had allergy symptoms since birth. She has always had circles under her eyes and a stuffy nose. I have had her to her ped for all of her regular visits and then some. I have always pointed out that I suspected an allergy of some kind but they always dismissed me. At 3 months she was diagnosed with Larangomalacia (floppy Larynx) that she has pretty much out grown. Still I pressed the allergy symoptoms at every visit but they assured me that she did not have allergies and that the stuffy nose was completly normal (small baby airways). Around 5 months she stopped sleeping good at night waking about every 25-45 minuets crying hysterically. I of course brought this up to the ped at her visits and was bagered over and ever again that it is because she does not sleep in a crib. Around 6 1/2 months is when the diarrhea started. She had diarrhea for over a month straight with a TERRIBLE diaper rash. We saw 3 different peds (same office) and got 3 different answers. Ped #1 "We've seen alot of this mucousy acidy diarrhea in 7 month olds slather her up with barrier cream and ride it out" Ped #2 " If she skipped a day or two between pooping she is not sick. Put saran wrap in her diaper over her terrible rash and collect her poop for testing." Ped #3 (after the worst pooping episode she has ever had green mucousy pouring out of her little body and I called the ped at 2 am) "It sounds like a dairy and soy intolerance you can cut that out of your diet or put her on formula" Well that was the last straw. I called a GI specialist (who is wonderful) and we have been seeing her. She diagnosed Elle with silent reflux (when I mentioned her symptoms to ped #2 she told me it was not reflux, it was because she does not sleep in a crib <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/FIREdevil.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="devil"> ) and she is now on Zantac. She agreed with the food allergy diagnosis and so I have been dairy and soy free for 8 weeks now. ....<br><br>
The new ped we'll call her #4 said I need to start solids and bring her in for a weight check in a month.</div>
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well, let's hope that ped #4 is less of an idiot than the first 3, are you using a different practice now? ( i hope) where are you? maybe you could find a nother dr by checkin gout the "tribe" forums???
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I might sound ignorant, but I thought 9 month olds generally needed solids in addition to bm? If she's not gaining weight, couldn't this be the issue? Sorry if I'm completely clueless here. My girls were grabbing food and feeding themselves by this age, I would have had to hide it from them to stop them from eating it. Maybe I did something wrong, though I never saw any problems.<br>
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not when there are major allergy issues already. the longer solids are delayed, the better in most cases. also, depending on wshat solids baby is getting, some are less calorie-dense, and certAInly nowhere near as nutritious as human milk.<br><br>
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