[ChasingPeace]

My ds is 13 1/2 weeks old. At 2 months, we had him vaxed with Pediarix and HibB. I was going to delay vaxing him--I'm concerned b/c my brother has Asperger's Syndrome. I talked to the pediatrician who assured me that the vaccines they use do not contain thirmesol (sp?) and the one that was suspected by some to have a correlation with autism spectrum disorders was the MMR, which she had no problem with us delaying or skipping. So I ended up getting the vaxes. Now I'm not so sure I did the right thing, and it's almost time for his 4 month checkup with new vaxes. I'm so scared and confused!! My questions are:<br>
-do the next Pediarix and HibB vaxes HAVE to be given at 4 and 6 months, or can we delay without starting over?<br>
-is anyone aware of a suspected correlation or causal connection between vaxes without thirmesol other than MMR and autism spectrum disorders?<br>
-I'm BF-ing and have had 2 bouts with mastitis for which I took antibiotics. The first time I finished the antibiotics a few days before DS got vaxed. Now I'm currently on antibiotics, again right before he "should" get vaxed. I've recently read that you should wait to vax if your DC is on antibiotics, but what about if mom is BF-ing and on them?<br><br>
Thanks for any info/resources/experience you can share.

 

[pageta]

You can give them anytime. My ped actually recommended in my pre-birth visit with him that we wait to do the 2, 4 and 6 month shots until at least 6, 8 and 10 months. As it stands, we did the DTaP at 9 months and probably will not be doing any more.<br><br>
Bottom line, don't do anything you are uncomfortable with. You don't HAVE to do anything - you can always delay until a better time (to be determined by you). Just stand you ground, be firm and matter of fact, and don't accept any nonsense from your ped.

 

[excitedtobeamom]

You can delay at any time. You won't have to start over! We are separating and spreading out my DD's shots. She got the DTaP at 2 months and 5 months, IPV at 6 months and HIB and Prevnar at 7 months. I don't intend on her getting anymore Prevnar. I don't know why I caved on that one. I think Stephanie Cave's book. We got shots one at a time, for the most part and at least a month apart. I don't plan on giving the Hep. B or A or CP. I also want to delay and spread out the MMR. Best wishes! Please go with what you feel is best for your family!

 

[Gitti]

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You probably know that MMR does not and never did have Thimerosal in it.<br>
Most reports that I have read state a change in the child AFTER the MMR. So whether Thimerosal is the only culprit that causes Autism Spectrum Disorders is still a question.<br>
Autistic children seem to have a perpetual measles virus in the gut.<br><br><a href="http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/25/02.html" target="_blank">http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/18/25/02.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32988" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=32988</a><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Neither you (if you are BF) nor your child should be taking antibiotic for at least two months before vaccinating.<br><br>
Also, your child might be a 'high risk' child. Check it out for yourself. I know my grandson is because there is autoimmune disorders on both sides of the family.<br><br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8148/vac.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8148/vac.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.thinktwice.com/risk.htm" target="_blank">http://www.thinktwice.com/risk.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://64.41.99.118/vran/" target="_blank">http://64.41.99.118/vran/</a>

 

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

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The problem was that it was often given with two vaccines that did. And if a baby had a mercury backlog from the others, then that adds to the equation.<br><br>
Most Important Mother Motto.<br><br>
If it doesn't feel right, don't do it.

 

[Gitti]

UGH! Those combinations - <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> How many can an immature immune system possibly tolerate before it retaliates? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/fencing.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="fencing">:

 

[Gitti]

<a href="http://64.41.99.118/vran/" target="_blank">http://64.41.99.118/vran/</a><br><br>
Well this one just says (#5) - has my child been on antibiotics recently? Doesn't say what is meant by recently.<br><br>
I've come across this often but can't find it right now. But I will post it when I find it.

 

[moma justice]

you have gotten a lot of great advice!<br>
keep researching!<br>
remember: always look at who funds the studies and the research...what do they have to gain?<br>
i have not found any pro vax info that is not somehow linked back the a pharam corp.<br><br>
also FOLLOW YOUR INTUITION!!!!<br>
call it god, divine intervention, your gut, whatever!<br>
you have something inside you that guides you as a mother to protect your child......if you are having doubts ...delay until you are SURE that you made the right choices.<br><br>
good luck<br>
s

 

[5796]

re: antibiotics<br><br>
here's a thread..some of the postings got edited out for various reasons..primarily to protect the poster. But basically, the patterns that have popped up... baby gets ear infections,.. gets antibiiotics, the antibiotics wipe out the good stuff in the intestines..then the baby gets something like MMR and the measles run amock in the intestistines because there is no good flora to fight them... anyway at a conference in chicago in late spring 2003, this was brought up as part of the link in why austistic children have more measles in their systems than other children... (do a google search on Dr. Geier you should find them)<br>
but here is this abbreviated thread.<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=57870&highlight=chicago" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=chicago</a>

 

[Electra375]

Pediarix, if I am correct is a multi vacc 5 vacc in 1 shot!!!<br><br>
From the Pediarix website:<br>
"PEDIARIX is a vaccine that can protect your child against 5 serious diseases: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), hepatitis B, and polio, with just 3 doses of 1 vaccine.<br><br>
Vaccinating with PEDIARIX reduces the number of shots your child needs to receive by as many as 6. This may mean less pain and discomfort for your child and less stress for you."<br><br>
Okay, so lets really get parents... oh it's only one shot!!! But it is the same on an infants system as getting them all anyway DTaP, HepB and IPV. And those who don't know any better will think hey this is okay just one shot! And proponents of delay and selective vacc will be limited by the all in one. I feel like the drug industry is trying to trick parents and get everyone vacc by an all in one.<br><br>
I am so sorry you got sucked into this. I think you should wait with your family history. I thnk a lot of vacc problems are from the increased effort to vacc by 2 and lumping vacc all together and so close together. Your child doesn't stand a chance to let his/ her body sort it all out before another massive set is injected into their system.<br><br>
Stand your ground and just say from the get go of the appointment we are not vacc today, tell the nurse. (I had a nurse come in after an appt and I could smell the acohol, so I turned around and there she was with the vacc already drawn into the seringe. She was so mad when I reminded her that he was not going to be vacc today and that this appt was for a second opinion on a lump in my child's neck.)

 

[suschi]



Pediarix, if I am correct is a multi vacc 5 vacc in 1 shot!!!<br><br>
From the Pediarix website:<br>
"PEDIARIX is a vaccine that can protect your child against 5 serious diseases: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough), hepatitis B, and polio, with just 3 doses of 1 vaccine.<br><br>
Not only that, I believe it was just licensed in 2002!<br><br>
Also, mercury may have been reduced/removed from vaccines, aluminum however, still in there, among other things

 

[ChasingPeace]

Thank you SO MUCH for all the information and resources and encouragement! I'm feeling much more confident now. I'm definitely going to postpone any vaxes scheduled for ds' 4 month visit. I'm leaning towards only getting him vaxed for polio and tetanus, but not until he's older. But I'm going to keep reading. Again, I appreciate all the help you've given me. You are all great!