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Just wanted to see if anyone out there knows anything about the INS requirements for vaccs.<br><br>
I ask because the more I research vaccs for my children, the more angry I am becoming about the vaccinations that I was forced to have, against my will, to come here to the US to join my husband. I read somewhere that it is legal to claim an exemption for the vacc requirements for a visa. Anyone know anything about this?<br><br>
Before I went for my visa interview with the INS, I saw my doctor in the UK and went through my vacc records. I had bloodtests done eg for rubella, as I hadnt had the vacc, and found that I was immune. There was one vacc that my doctor was really anti me having - I can't recall what, but it was combined with tetanus when I was forced to have it at the INS.<br><br>
After my INS medical, where I was treated with contempt and total disrespect, they reviewed my vacc history and insisted that I visited the nurse for the vacc. I objected, and said that my doctor had told me it was unnecessary, but the doctor said that if I didn't take the vacc, my visa would be denied and I would never be able to go to live with my American husband. I argued for a bit, but had to give in and roll up my shirt sleeve.<br><br>
It was honestly disgusting sitting in that office - people were being herded like cattle and some people had numerous shots in one go. Thank goodness I'd had bloodwork done and only had to have this one shot, whatever it was, with the tetanus, which I didnt' need but was combined.<br><br>
I was really sick for a week or ten days afterwards, with flu-like symptoms. I'm feeling incredibly angry about it now, especially as I believe that I could have signed a waiver, but I cant' find this information anywhere. Honestly, I feel like taking legal action against someone, although just getting someone from the INS to answer the phone is an impossibility, so I don't think that will ever be feasible.<br><br>
If anyone has any light to shed on the legality of the INS forcing vaccs on immigrants, I'd be really glad to hear. Thanks!
 

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Always check the law.<br><br>
Read the law for yourself. Do not take ANYONE'S word for it. Know the difference between 'Recommendation' and 'Requirement' for a shot.<br><br>
Talk to a good immigration attorney who knows how you feel about vaxing and is very willing to advocate for you.<br><br>
NO ONE should be vaxed against their wishes. Your body is sacred.<br><br>
My BIL received the yellow fever vax as a requirement for going to work for the U.N. in Africa. He did not like it, but he wanted to work for the U.N., so he got the vax for yellow fever. But no others. Yellow Fever was required. There are recommendations for other vaxes for going to Africa which he waived.
 

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BUT: Dh was prepared and wrote a waiver before going in, even in the INS law there is a waiver possibility, simple because they do not want to be held liable in case something happens to you because of the vax if they forced you to take it. Now they can always say you had a choice (even if it is not well known).<br><br>
The doctor gave dh a very hard time, told him he would not get into the country with the waiver etc. etc. It was rediculous because they wanted to give him MMR and obviously he did not want to take that one! We could not do tithers because that would take several weeks and we only had a week to get all this done. We were worried sick for a week after we put in the documents and had to wait for a reply (well I was, dh was sure it would be ok). Going back for the interview it was not even mentioned and we were approved immediately!<br><br>
We had a lot of things working against us in the immigration procedure and it was a miracle we finaly got approved (I truly believe in the power of prayer!).<br><br>
Anyway, just to let you know there are ways out, just not very well known.<br><br>
Christa
 

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"Know the difference between 'Recommendation' and 'Requirement' for a shot. "<br><br>
You know, that's the main reason why I'm so angry. It was put everywhere, in documentation and verbally, as a requirement, not a recommendation. Even when I stood there and asked, then argued, I was categorically told that without the shot, I wouldn't be granted the visa.<br><br>
Question is, I suppose, how do I prove that four years later, now that I'm better informed, and not standing in front of a bully of a doctor and the INS officials. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
The whole INS process is so demeaning that you feel helpless and they can bully you into anything, even putting toxins into your body. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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I can't help on the requirements, but it seems I had a much easier time than anyone else with the vaccine issue. We already in the US and used an INS approved medical provider for both mine and eldest DD's physical. DD was born in Hong Kong, and her vax records got lost just before we moved to the US, so I didn't have any for her. Mine were goodness knows where, in some medical practice in SE London I think! We saw a NP and explained DD was vaccinated but we lost her records (true at that point), so she asked us when she had the shots and provided us with a new vaccine card! So no shots for her and she has an acceptable vaccine record! As for me, I was nursing my then 3 month old DD and so I was given an exemption. I did have to get the BCG skin test, sorry can't remember its proper name, which I agree to, seeing as we had gotten off just about unscathed.<br><br>
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I am so sorry Britishmum.<br><br>
When I enrolled my children in school, I took a copy of THE CA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE with me and read chapter and verse to the secretary. I was so confident that the secretary did not know what to do, so she called in the principal who completed the paper work without a word and without looking me in the eye.<br><br>
COWARD!<br><br>
Later when I enrolled my other children, they knew better than to tangle with me.<br><br>
Often the underling who is giving you the vax only knows his/her job and that is to stick you with that vax or else. They are not trained to think or discuss law with you. Always ask for their manager or supervisor and have legal documentation with you. Go in prepared. That is the only way.<br><br>
Anything less and you screw yourself.
 
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