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Ok, the results are in <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">) I took one large Joey Bunz, one large MOE Micro-Fiber insert and one medium (all I had so I imagine it would hold more if it was a large) Happy Heiny's Stuffins and laid them on the counter. I then added water to each of them 2 ounces at a time. I marked them at the point of saturation (when water was no longer being absorbed into the insert and over-flowing onto the counter.<br><br>
Joey Bunz: 8.5 ounces<br>
Stuffins: 10 ounces<br>
MOE: 19.5 ounces<br><br>
THEN I tried this experiment a different way. I put 20 oz of water in a large bowl and allowed the insert to absorb as much water as it could. Then I laid it over a rod and allowed the water to drip back into its original bowl. After 10 minutes I measured the water in the bowl and subtracted it from 20 oz. This means the remaining water is what the insert held onto.<br><br>
I did this to see if it made a difference on it laying there to the point of saturation and what it really held onto in a different way.<br><br>
Large Joey Bunz - 6 ounces<br>
Medium HH Stuffins - 6 ounces (large may hold more)<br>
Natural Infant CPF - 10<br>
Bleached Reg CPF - 11<br>
MOE Micro-Fiber Insert - 14 1/2 ounces.<br><br>
The results are basicly the same but I wanted to really be sure its as it seems.<br><br>
Trisha ~ digging through my inventory to snag a few more MOE's hehehe<br><a href="http://www.lilbunz.com" target="_blank">www.lilbunz.com</a>
 

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I performed a very similar test this past June. I posted the results on the board but couldn't find it so I could link it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br>
I compared a large Joey Bunz and a large MOE rectangle 3-ply micro terry insert. I laid them each in their own cookie sheet and poured 12 oz of water on each which totally saturated them. I let them sit for 30 seconds then picked them both up by the very edge and held them over the cookie sheet to drip. I held them until the drops were very few and far in between. I poured the excess water in a measuring cup, took the amount remaining and subtracted what I started with to come up with my answer. I performed this test 3 times with three different inserts. (all inserts were "primed" by the way) I did come up with three different answers that were all really close so I averaged the three tests.<br><br>
I can't *totally* remember but if my memory does serve me the large MOE insert held 6-1/2 oz and the Joey bunz held 6-1/3 oz. I felt that they were very comparable and called them equally absorbent.<br><br>
I would like to get some more opinions as to whether or not my testing could be considered accurate. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Yes, thats pretty much how I did it but I waited 10 minutes. The results were very different.<br><br>
Any scientists around?? lol!!<br><br>
Well, I hope that helps someone out <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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This doesn't have the FB or HH inserts but some of you may not have seen it before:<br><br><a href="http://www.bareware.ca/analyzer.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bareware.ca/analyzer.htm</a><br><br>
And here is a conversion calculator:<br><br><a href="http://www.globalgourmet.com/cgi-bin/hts?convcalc.hts+weight+new" target="_blank">http://www.globalgourmet.com/cgi-bin...hts+weight+new</a>
 

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Actually, I AM a scientist-in my "other" life LOL. As far as the tests go, neither "really" recreates the same environment as a diapered child-though this type of test might represent how much fluid these inserts would hold "ideally". The test which poured 2oz at a time would be closer to most babies habits (but not all)-and would give the fabric of both inserts an opportunity to absorb and distribute the liquid throughout the fibers. The test where the water was poured on all at once (12oz I believe) would be less representative of "natural" conditions, and I would tend to go more with the slower addition of liquid. I would expect that one of the fabrics involved (I will not say which I think) would have a faster rate of absorption, but hold less overall-I will wait and see what you guys decide before I make any sweeping scientific statements based on molecular makeup of the fabric LOL.<br>
However, in the interest of science, I would propose that the test be performed with the insert in the diaper to be more like the natural setting (which changes the way that the fluid contacts the insert-which would change initial absorption-but shouldn't affect overall absorption adversely). Also, the force which is used when pouring (gentle drizzle, gushing) can impact the quick uptake of the fabrics-which would be eliminated if the test were performed in the diaper. That said, I would honestly think that weighing the inserts when clean and dry, then weighing them when saturated would be more effective at judging the actual liquid held-it is too easy to loose a tad when handling the inserts and bowls to try to catch the liquid. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have a few mamas weigh their overnight diapers prior to use-then weigh them (yes, I know-yuck) in the morning when they are completely soaked-then the results can be pooled and shared<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Keeping in mind that this would only work if you used 2 Joeys or 2 MOE inserts (or multiples of the same thing-so you can divide the total absorbed liquid by the number of inserts).<br>
Hope that makes sense this late at night <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I know that I am not my best this late LOL<br>
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Shan, that's actually how it's done in hospitals, they weigh the wet dipes to figure how much the babes are peeing.<br><br>
When my son was in the hospital last year, the nurses were kind of perturbed that he didn't wear 'sposies (we brought cloth from home or he went nakey) and that I kept emptying his potty without telling them. We were ECing and I was so happy that his accident hadn't caused a bad potty strike it never occurred to me to share his pees with the staff, lol!
 

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I re-did these tests. I tested 3 large MOE inserts and 3 large Joey Bunz, and 1 SMJAE 3 ply hemp fleece contoured insert. I again poured 12 oz of water over the insert. I poured slowly allowing the little bit I poured to absorb before pouring more. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I let the inserts sit for 5 minutes. Again, held them up to drip, drip, drip and then weighed them rather than measuring the left over liquid. I came with basically the same results within a matter of fractions of an ounce. MOE was micro terry was 6-1/3, the Joey Bunz was 6-1/4, and the SMJAE was 6-1/8.<br><br>
I will say that the Joey Bunz does absorb the liquid faster. The Joey Bunz absorbs immediately on contact as to where the MOE micro terry does sit on top for a split second before absorbing.<br><br>
As for the whole technical scientific part of it, Yes, there are many factors to consider. Are the Joey Bunz better since it absorbs on contact and would probably lessen the chance for a leak? Can the MOE inserts be worn for a longer period of time because it dries quickly possibly allowing it to absorb again? Does one insert distribute the wetness throughout overall better than the other? Now these are just some guesses of mine but are things that I think about.<br><br>
I was just looking for a basic comparison of the two inserts. I wasn't looking for an exact amout. I heard many times that the Joey Bunz were way more absorbent compared to the MOE micro terry. I could never see a difference so I did the test. Still all in all IMO find them to be equal.
 

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Actually, I can always spot a lot of things wrong with these kinds of experiments.<br><br>
First of all, there is no pressure on the material. Sure, absorbancy is important - but so are the water-retaining capabilities of the fabrics. This is why we love wool so much, remember - it can absorb, but when you squish it, it won't let go of the wetness. Different fabrics will 'let go' of different amounts of water under the same amount of pressure - and this is important, since babies sit, lay, or whatever on their diapers and there is a lot of pressure involved. I'd say it would be more accurate to add the water, press down (if you can find a way to standardize the pressure, even better), and repeat until pressing down results in losing water. This would be way more accurate, IMO, since at the point when water comes out of the insert, it would probably start bugging your cover, too.<br><br>
Also, temperature affects the abilities of fibers to absorb water. So if you're doing this in the kitchen in the morning and it is 72 degrees (and your water is 60 degrees) this could be different from the results at body-temperature. If all the fabrics were the same it wouldn't really matter, but since we have everything from organics to man-made poly, it may actually have an impact. The properties of any fabric can vary with the temperature - I have no idea to what extent, so if I were doing it, I would warm everything.
 

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The MOE micro terry inserts are made of a poly/rayon material. You would think right off the bat that those materials would not absorb but they do.<br><br>
I could see where someone would rather choose a JB over the MOE since the JB is a more natural material.
 

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The microfiber terry is generally 70-80% polyester and 20-30% acrymalide. The hemp will have a quicker initial uptake, but in my own experience (non scientific as it may be) the microfiber will actually keep baby dry longer (again, MY experience-not all have the results) overnight. During the day-it doesn't impact us, as we change very often-when I notice he is wet-or every hour to hour and a half regardless. When I used hemp fleece, it seemed to me that the fluid was actually expelled easier with the pressure-if you KWIM-the microfiber "seems" to hold onto the liquid better during his gymastic sleep activity. Personally, I think the perfect insert (which I am working on now hehe) has both fabrics incorporated to take advantage of the favorable traits of both.<br>
Also, the temperature issue is important-that is why I think it would be more accurate (albeit unnecessary I believe) to do the pre and post weighing of overnight diapers.<br>
One other thing I thought of, perhaps the difference in absorption between the two different individuals could have to do with water quality, soaps and wash routines-which we all know from experience can have an impact on absorbency.<br>
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Another good point! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by mamaluvs3girls</i><br><b>The MOE micro terry inserts are a poly/rayon material.</b></td>
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I was told that poly/rayon was made from trees and paper materials as well as polyester. A few years back it was not considered a good diaper fabric becuase of the intense chemical breakdown process needed to make it. I will stick to my cotton/hemp and change my son more often. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 
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