Iraq handover 2 days early

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sleeping queen

Discussion Starter · Jun 28, 2004

I read this information early this morning. I sincerely hope that the new government can be successful and hope Iraq's new leaders will never become as horrible to the people as SH was. Handover

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PurpleBasil

· #2 · Jun 28, 2004

Well the US has exceeded SH in horrible treatment of the Iraqi (and other people worldwide) so I think there is no risk of the new government acting as terrible as SH.

The real question is whether the new government will continue the terrorization, murder, oppression and brutalization that we've seen from the US government . Let's all hope not.

sleeping queen

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jun 28, 2004

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Well the US has exceeded SH in horrible treatment of the Iraqi (and other people worldwide) so I think there is no risk of the new government acting as terrible as SH.

I guess you've never researched what SH has done to his own people. THere is no comparison.

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Marg of Arabia

· #4 · Jun 28, 2004

Well, we only have to look at Afghanistan to gain insight into what this will all lead to......

27 Jun 2004, 14:18 UTC
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...%20Afghanistan

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In Afghanistan, suspected members of the ousted Taleban Islamic government have gunned down at least 16 people. The attack may have been intended to intimidate voters.
The deadly incident took place late Friday night in the southern Afghan province of Uruzgan.

Local authorities say suspected Taleban guerillas kidnapped passengers of a bus and then killed them after finding that they had registered for the upcoming national elections

And, we will soon be sending more troops there to fight the Talaban......

Not looking very successful........I mean innocent people being gunned down for trying to vote.

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jannan

· #5 · Jun 28, 2004

i don't know what advantage this has for the united states. it is interesting why would they do it two days early? maybe for no significant reason. the new government will simply do what the us tells them to do........ you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. gw is happy today. now the oil is secure.

PurpleBasil

· #6 · Jun 28, 2004

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Originally Posted by sleeping queen

I guess you've never researched what SH has done to his own people. THere is no comparison.

Be careful not to injure yourself, sleeping queen.

I suppose there really is no comparison. We gave SH the chemicals, weapons and training to kill so it's not apples to apples. Teach a man to fish, if you will.

The US system of torture (in the formerly SH owned prison) was worse as SH never pretended to be a liberator or freedom fighter.

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IslandMamma

· #7 · Jun 28, 2004

MY take on why the handover happened two days early:

Y'all realized that the last few days have been a veritable bloodbath of insurgency-- carbombs, gunnings, kidnappings.... doesn't play very well for the "liberators" on the media in an election year. So in an attempt to save face, distract the blinded masses, and (I'm being optimistic) thwart more terrorist attacks, Bushco decided we better do something QUICK!

So there you have it-- while the news reports quietly bury the accounts of over 200 men, women and children blown to pieces in the last few days, the headlines are splashed with the triumphant return of democracy to the Iraqi people.

And of course, the world has had SO much success with US-propped governments and "authorities"... Think Panama, Nicaragua, and Chile to name a few.

Today is about as real a victory as the day GWB played dress-up in a flight suit and gave the end of combat speech on an aircraft carrier.

chicagomom

· #8 · Jun 28, 2004

Yeah, that's some sovereignty they've got over there...

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U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer has issued a raft of edicts revising Iraq's legal code and has appointed at least two dozen Iraqis to government jobs with multi-year terms in an attempt to promote his concepts of governance long after the planned handover of political authority on Wednesday.
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Among the most controversial orders is the enactment of an elections law that gives a seven-member commission the power to disqualify political parties and any of the candidates they support.

- Allawi gets to pick the Security and Intelligence advisors, inspectors general in every ministry, and they will keep their jobs for FIVE YEARS. So much for meaningful elections.

- Bremer has issued 97 binding legal orders, constraining them on everything from the death penalty (prohibited by Bremer), to tax rates (capped at 15%) to when they can honk their car horns. Not to mention dictating to them regarding what their election laws will be, who may be considered a valid candidate and party.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun26.html

With sovereignty like that, who needs occupation?

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5796

· #9 · Jun 28, 2004

Here are two interesting articles in the L.A. Times. If you watch Meet The Press, Ronald Brownstein is regular contributer...anyway, In this one, he discusses the political risks for George W. Bush in the handover of just whatever it is we just handed over to Iraq.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

And in this one, he discusses Bill Clinton's legacy and suggests that its finer points are the kinds of things that Conservatives either don't notice or don't care about.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...adlines-nation

You'll need to register to read articles over at the Times. If you don't want to give them your real e-mail address, get an extra one at some site like Hotmail or Yahoo and use that for such sign-ups.

kama'aina mama

· #10 · Jun 28, 2004

The whole point of doing it early was to throw off any plans (and there certainly were some) to disrupt the changeover with violence. If the gov could switch the 4th of July to the 2nd at the last minute for the same reason, they would. The attacks will still happen but they will not be on "Iraqi Independence Day" and they will not disrupt whatever little ceremony they did.

isleta

· #11 · Jun 29, 2004

Sucess? Maybe when they have their own military, their own police, oh, there own country

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aussiemum

· #12 · Jun 29, 2004

I'm trying to find something positive in all this. About the best I can come up with is..... Bremer was going to hand over control no matter what, right? That was a done deal, as I understand it. So, maybe by bringing the handover forward by 2 days, it might have decreased the number of people who would be killed in the inevitable violence in the lead up to the handover? IYKWIM? I think that might also be some sort of official reason as to the quickie ceremony, but it does make some sense. To me anyway.

My two bobs? -it's the smartest move they've made in this whole bungled operation.

Dov

· #13 · Jun 29, 2004

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ITA with many of the realist posts. The faux "handover," which IMO it is actually NOT, is merely yet another Shrubco-tactic to establish plausible denial...

and thanks to the corporate media's neo-journalism, the gullibulls in this country will buy the lie hook line and sinker... meanwhile our girls and boys die, Iraq's girls and boys die... more terrorists will take more hostages, more Bushies will point to the handover lie and swear on their bibles that Shrub is god's annointed and thus never at fault and blame the lefties for lacking the Bushies' divine blind patriotism, lefties will continue to read the truth and listen to folks who are actually in Iraq living with the people and merely enlarge their ulcers and

. Michael Moore will make another film, the Bushies will wail and gnash their teeth at him and everyone who buys a ticket, we'll all vote in a sham election without IRV, paper trails, or real choices, maybe a Democrat-warlord will win and get us into more trouble, making more terrorists, maybe Bush will just cheat his way back into office again and the Bushies will pound their bibles and shake their fists at the lefties, and the Greens will get blamed (again) for all of it....

... Am I cynical enough?

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TiredX2

· #14 · Jun 29, 2004

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Deep breath Dov.

I don't want you exploding before you get to cast your vote this Novemeber.

Cynical?

Realistic?

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Dov

· #15 · Jun 29, 2004

Thanks, sometimes it all just makes me feel

out.

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Marg of Arabia

· #16 · Jun 29, 2004

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Cynical? Realistic?

EXACTLY!

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