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is he ready for Kindergarten?

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I unschool my kids, ages 3 1/2, and almost 2.

My son, who turns four in October, started "preschool" back in September. I started with just giving him coloring pages, and discussing things (this is how he seems to best learn and retain information). We did things like learn about dinosaurs (he still remembers the names after months of not talking about it), and the alphabet (i was giving him worksheets with pictures of the letter and objects beginning with that letter each day), but that was too easy, and not holding his attention after about a month, so we dropped it. Since then, he's been mostly interested in building things, so we do alot of projects, and discuss things like what culture the item or method comes from. He doesn't seem interested in writing numbers, though he knows them all, can count past 20, and shows an understanding for the basic concepts of addition and subtraction. He writes his letters though (not his name, but if i say "draw me an 'R'" he does), knows the alphabet, knows the days of the week, etc. Is he ready to learn to read and write on his own, and do real math? What does he need to know before i introduce these things?

I mentioned to my mom that Ryvre was about ready for Kindergarten, and she seemed to gasp for breath, lol. She was at a loss for words for quite some time, and kept asking me if i was sure, and saying "well, if you REALLY think so." She thinks he needs to be able to sit still for long periods of time (i think he does this longer than most 3-year-olds, but probably not so much as a "regular" kindergartener). I don't think this is important, since he's not going to a "real" school, and i know he learns better with movement, so i actually encourage it.

So...i don't want to get hung up on the whole "how is my kindergartener doing" approach, but i also don't want him to be totally lost or frustrated if i try to move things along too fast with him, you know? What do you think? Are there some general guidelines?
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If you're unschooling, then being ready for Kindergarten really has no relevance. You would just continue to learn about the things he's interested in and stop when he's had enough/looses interest, etc.

It sounds more like you're planning on using a Kindergarten program--correct me if I'm wrong. If this is the case, it really depends on the program. Some are more advanced than others. Personally, I've never known a 3 or 4 year old who wanted to sit still for any length of time to "do school." Maybe that's where your mother was coming from?

I think the only "general guidelines" are to pay attention to your invididual child, follow his lead, and forget about "levels."
Your son sounds exactly like mine was at that age. Here is what we did. I'll share what I think was good and what I regret... I found a set of inexpensive kindergarten lesson plans. I did not enroll with any curriculum provider or anything like that. And we basically took 2 years to do K. We had some times where we really charged ahead and did a lot of structured stuff and other times we would go weeks without sitting down with a school book. I tried to get books that were multi-leveled. So we went through some of the books a couple of times using them in different ways. I tried to play into his interests. I feel like my biggest mistake was with handwriting/learning to write. Looking back I pushed him WAY too much too fast. He would get frustrtaed I would get frustrated. I guess in my mind he was learning to read and do math - he should learn to write too. I really wish I had held off on the writing part and waited for him to be a little older.

For Kindergarten math I loved MCP Math level K. It does a lot of count the objects and circle the number type exercise. It gets into adding way in the back but I just skipped all that. Last week we finished Kindergarten officially. He is 5 1/2. But I will say this - some of his subjects were 1st garde level. For example in math - we had finished the level K so we moved onto level A(1st grade). We went through it slowly and we will actually stay in this same book for 1st grade but he learned a lot. I picked a finishing point I wanted to be the end of kindergarten for him.

I also LOVE our phonics program we are using - I just bought it this winter so we are not finished with it yet. I finished book one in the series and we will start book 2 in the 1st grade even though it is a K level program. This is why I like homeschooling - I tailor it to fit his abailities. We also made a reading list and hung it on the wall. I listed a bunch of stories and as we read them together we checked them off.

So back to your son - I would go ahead and start him on some kindergarten work and set mini-goals for yourself - not for him, for you. "I would like to introdue him to ___________ sometime over the next month." Write them down in a lesson planner and then jot notes as he does things so you can see if there are any patterns to what he enjoys, finds easy, dislikes, etc. There is no reason to hold him back or let his learning stagnate in a homeschooling situation as long as you know within yourself that you will put everything aside if he gets overwhelmed.

Just my 2 cents. This approach is what I plan to do with my 3 yo in the fall. He'll be 3 1/2 and he is already expressing interest in "doing school". The fact that you are even questioning whether you will push him too much shows you will be tuned into what he needs. Just have fun with it!
Kelly
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MHO is that at 3 1/2, he should still be learning everything through play. (There might be an exception if he's a true genious, but then he'd probably be reading already and/or spouting math facts that make your jaw drop.
) He's obviously a bright child. I have one myself, and I understand the temptation to run with it. It's possible that he *could* sit down and start to learn to read and write and do formal math. But *should* he? I believe (have only heard, not seen for myself) that studies show that children who learn such things early are generally no more advanced than those who learn later at their own pace. The later learners catch up fairly quickly once they get going.

Another thing to think about: if you sit down and teach your son to read, you may miss out on the wonder of seeing him teach himself to read! My dd was showing most of the signs your ds is showing at 3 1/2. At 4 1/2, she began reading on her own. In the mean time, I answered her questions about words and letters, and she learned some stuff from educational tv shows and computer games. But I never sat down with the intention of teaching her to read. The process was very organic -- it all came from her. It was truely a wonderful process to behold, and I would hate to have missed it because *I* decided when she was ready to move to the next step, rather then letting *her* initiate each step, kwim?

We did start a formal math program when she was 4.25. Do I think I started too soon? Not necessarily -- I'm not an unschooler when it comes to math.
But I'm glad I didn't start earlier, and I don't think it would have hurt to wait. While she could grasp most of the concepts, I could see where her young age limited her ability to fully understand some things. After a few months, she gave up math lessons in favor of all reading all the time. :LOL Besides the diversion of books, I think we had reached a place where she was hitting the upper level of her ability to comprehend. Only age and maturity would allow her to go further, so we took a break. In addition, it was hard for her to focus sometimes, even when she wanted to do the lessons. I would suggest stopping, and she would say "no", but then she couldn't/wouldn't pay attention to what we were doing. It got pretty frustrating sometimes. Again, it's a maturity thing. I plan to start up with the lessons again in the fall or later this summer. She knows some children going to Kindergarten and is eager to "do" some Kindergarten homeschooling.
Since math is my only curriculum, I hope it does the trick for her! :LOL

So my advice is to sit back and watch him for a while. Just observe him and see if you still think he needs more than what he's already getting through play and interaction with you and dh. If he seems bored or is asking for specific instruction, then you can start the kindergarten materials. If he seems to be learning and growing and happy without them, then I'd hold off for a little while. Just my 2 pennies!
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If he already knows letters, days of the week, etc., you must have done a good job of "introducing" these things already! IMO I would keep doing what you're doing and wouldn't rush into any sort of formal schoolwork at age 4 There are tons of ways to learn literacy skills and math through hands-on activities during the preschool years. This might be a great approach for your son- if he learns through movement, he may be someone who learns better by doing, rather than by doing worksheets. Of course, you could have a workbook lying around and if it catches his interest that can become one of your activities, but I wouldn't push it. Then, in another year, you can decide whether you want to follow a more formal curriculum with more "seatwork". Good luck!
My dd is 3 also. I have the CORE curriculum book "What your Kindergartner needs to know" and a couple of times a week we will do an activity from the book that I feel she is ready for. I know her motor skills aren't up for writing yet, but her phonemic awareness is very good and I can tell she is on the brink of reading. We play lots of word games for that but we aren't doing anything formal. Even highly gifted children tend to be on the "normal" range whn it comes to writing b/c it is a fine motor skill.
Precocious writing ability is rare. I am not even worrying about writing yet. She gets opportunity to write, color, draw etc. That is enough for us for now. I expect to take about a year and a half with the kindergarten year, give or take.

I guess my point is, if you think he's ready, try a few more exercises off the web or somethg an see how it goes. If he isn't ready yet, he will be eventually.
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Montessori Read and Write; and Montessori Play and Learn are two books full of games that you can do at home. They're learning of all sorts, but really emphasize games between parent-child or children; and hands-on learning of all sorts.
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If you're unschooling, then being ready for Kindergarten really has no relevance. You would just continue to learn about the things he's interested in and stop when he's had enough/looses interest, etc.

It sounds more like you're planning on using a Kindergarten program--correct me if I'm wrong. If this is the case, it really depends on the program. Some are more advanced than others. Personally, I've never known a 3 or 4 year old who wanted to sit still for any length of time to "do school." Maybe that's where your mother was coming from?

I think the only "general guidelines" are to pay attention to your invididual child, follow his lead, and forget about "levels."
I agree with Joan. If you want to continue with unschooling, just follow his lead. Read to him a lot and he'll let you know when he's interested in decoding. Give him lots of crayons and paper and he'll let you know when he's able and interested to move to writing. We're not doing kindergarten at all, simply because I'm not really sure of what that means. I mean, when I think of K, I just think of a large group of kids in circle time doing the same type activities. I, personally, don't think of homeschooling having a start and stop, or having specific levels. But if you do want a specific K curric, I've heard great things about Five in a Row. At any rate, my advice would just be to follow his lead and give him lots of open space to do his own thing. Good luck!
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Thanks everyone! You pretty much reaffirmed what i *think* i already knew, and gave me some ideas too.

After REALLY reading what i wrote, I guess maybe the real question should be "should i call it kindergarten?" lol. I know from experience not to push anything on him he's not ready for (that's pretty much why we homeschool, right?), but when i'm looking for things for him to do, i wonder which books or websites to start with, you know? And if he ever decides he wants to go to school, it would be nice to have some idea what "grade" he's ready for. But i think i'm getting ahead of myself!
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What do you think? Are there some general guidelines?
Here's an article I wrote on this general subject after seeing the question brought up online quite a bit over the years. It has lots of information and links to helpful websites that have fun and educational age appropriate activity ideas. Personally, I don't think there's any advantage in a child that age being academically accelerated - he won't know anymore than anyone else by the time he's 10 or 20. There are a lot of wonderful ways he can be learning other important things about his world.
Lillian
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My dd is a newly 3 (4/5/02) year old, but I will be starting her on Kindergarten/1st grade curriculum for August. She began reading shortly after her 3rd birthday and now can read BOB books and recognizes about 40 sight words. She writes her name as well as most letters of the alphabet. She loves knowledge and learning and I am just following her lead. She has never been pushed to learn anything. I knew I was in for along ride when she shocked us by learning to recognize 10 letters of the alphabet at 16 months.

I would just say follow his lead and let him determine what he wants to do and how much of it. Some days my daughter loves doing some of her workbook pages and other days she just wants to cut paper into confetti!! :LOL
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