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....<a href="http://www.feralchildren.com/en/children.php?tp=1" target="_blank">Feral Children of Times Past...</a>... were they autistic? Or just raised in the wild, and this is how they learned to survive, by imitating the wild animals around them?<br><br>
I attended an educators' panel discussion recently, and this is what a professional latched on to prove that autism is not a new phenomenon, that it has always been in the population; also, some educators believe that Albert Einstein was autistic. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br><br>
Will the moderators please put this thread where it belongs, as I do not know.
 

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First off, I would ask this in a different forum as it is not vax related.<br><br>
These children were not exposed to language at the time the brain needs exposure to develop language skills. Thus, they may demonstrate some of the language limitations of autistic children but they are not autistic.
 

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Well, then the moderators can put it where it belongs. I do not know.<br><br>
The discussion I heard was related to vaccinations and autism, which is why I put it here.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The discussion I heard was related to vaccinations and autism, which is why I put it here.</div>
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how so?
 

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The educators said that the increase in autism diagnosis was due to better diagnostic techniques and not vaccinations or a more aggressive vaccine schedule; that autism has always been in the population as for example these feral children.<br><br>
I agree with you. The feral children phenomenon was a component of my communications disorder class in graduate school, and was considered exactly what you said in post #2, that they never learned to communicate as a human does with language when they were infants, but learned to survive by imitating the wild animals they observed in their environment.<br><br>
The panel stated that they were autistic in their time and their time predated vaccinations, and obviously, they were not vaccinated, but they were autistic. They were attempting to break the link between autism and vaccines that so many people are making in our time.
 

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Well, how would they know that? I learned what you learned in grad school, too. I don't know how they could decide they were autistic. But, those feral kids are fodder for a lot of different theories.
 

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Very interesting, Applejuice....I'm off to read it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, how would they know that? I learned what you learned in grad school, too. I don't know how they could decide they were autistic. But, those feral kids are fodder for a lot of different theories.</div>
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I agree. There are medical doctors out there using these feral children as the original autistic children in modern times to break the connection everyone seems to be making with vaccines. I ran into one on another forum which I will not and cannot mention here.<br><br>
The fact of the matter is, we cannot exhume their bodies and compare them absolutely with living autistic children.
 

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Paul Collins talks extensively about this in his book Not Even Wrong.<br><br>
I don't think vaccines cause autism. My son is unvaccinated and very, very autistic.
 

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I am not even saying that vaccines cause autism; there are plenty of other causations that we should be looking at.<br><br>
I do think that the doctors should not discount it as heavily as they do.<br><br>
There are plenty of pollutants and other causes in our environment that we need to look at.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know how they could decide they were autistic. But, those feral kids are fodder for a lot of different theories.</div>
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I agree with delphiniumpansy.<br><br><br>
"Autism" is a hole host of symptoms. Having one does not make some child who was not exposed to language at a critical time, autistic.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I agree with delphiniumpansy.<br>
"Autism" is a hole host of symptoms. Having one does not make some child who was not exposed to language at a critical time, autistic.</div>
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I totally agree. But tell that to a medical doctor trying to discount the barrage of evidence to the contrary.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I totally agree. But tell that to a medical doctor trying to discount the barrage of evidence to the contrary.</div>
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If I understand your report of the argument that was made, it is completely ridiculous and anyone with the most basic understanding of scientific argumentation should be able to understand why. The causal relationship is completely backwards, unless somehow the claim is that these children ended up living in the wild BECAUSE they were autistic.<br><br>
Autistic children have communication problems even though they're raised in loving environments with lots of exposure to human language. "Wild" children have nothing to tell us about autism because they were raised in completely different circumstances and even if it happens that they WERE autistic there's no way of distinguishing this from the contribution of the environment to their behaviour.<br><br>
I teach this stuff (well, linguistics and lang. acquisition) and I don't think my undergraduate students would hesitate for a second to say that this argument is utterly bogus. Geeze, the medical profession never fails to amaze me.
 
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