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this is my question i did all the vac's for my dd i didnt know then what i know now atleast i found out before i took her for her 4 year ones <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"> the last one she had was her 2year ones she was a angel she would never step out of line all i would have to do is say things to her once she was very well behaved very smart at that time she was doing kindergarden+ work everyone use to say i was so lucky then when she got the shot it was like day and night she changed over night seriously she is now out of control, dont listen, cant sit still, cant stop the loud noises & talking, no respect for herself or others i dont want it to come across that it is the oh just getting independence stage i am just wondering if what i feel inside is true is it because of the vaxes? if so what can i do?? or is there something else going on i have tried everything i can think of she is now turning 5 june 1st i am at my end this is the last grasp of hope i have trying to fingure out what is going on
 

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What exactly is your gut instinct telling you?<br><br>
Also, has she had any natural infections?<br><br>
High fevers?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What exactly is your gut instinct telling you?</div>
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that they are linked do to there was no other changes<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Also, has she had any natural infections?<br><br>
High fevers?</div>
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no infection she has never really even been sick other then a few colds never had a high fever
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">do you feel she is developmentally delayed at this point or is this a strictly behavioral/emotional issue?</div>
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she has no delays she is actually advanced doing some grade 1&2 work at 4 but i am trying to figure out the behavioral problems nothing ever has fit i have tried it all right now i am just crossing out all the things it cant be and hope i fine one that fits her i have been dealing with this for 3 years im at my wits end about this
 

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It might be worth taking her to an alternative type doctor (homeopath) or naturopath and have some tests done to see if she has high levels of heavy metals. Does she have any physical symptoms? Digestive problems for example?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It might be worth taking her to an alternative type doctor (homeopath) or naturopath and have some tests done to see if she has high levels of heavy metals. Does she have any physical symptoms? Digestive problems for example?</div>
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no physical symptoms no digestive problems i would love to take her to one but i have no clue how to find one and wondering how much it would cost very very tight budget now a days
 

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Hmmm. If there are no physical symptoms that does make it trickier.<br><br>
Some other things that can cause behavior problems:<br>
not enough sleep<br>
dietary stuff (as in low blood sugar)<br>
lack of routine and predictability (some children really do better with a clear pattern to their days)<br>
not enough physical activity<br>
not enough outdoor time<br>
not enough free play<br>
too much TV or computer, not enough movement<br><br>
None of those may apply, I'm just running through a list of things I've seen causing behavior stuff in little kids.<br><br>
Is she nice some of the time or always disagreeable? Does she cuddle with you? Like to be read to? Have sleep problems? A picky eater?
 

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Hmmm. If there are no physical symptoms that does make it trickier.<br><br>
Some other things that can cause behavior problems:<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">not enough sleep</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">12+ hours a night</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">dietary stuff (as in low blood sugar)</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">nope she eats all day long good food not junk</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">lack of routine and predictability (some children really do better with a clear pattern to their days)</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">i have done our days on a rutine she does worse with it</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">not enough physical activity</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">she has a hard time sitting she is always going</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">not enough outdoor time</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">she has outside free play everyday</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">not enough free play</div>
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<span style="color:#0000FF;">everyday all day if she chooses also is aloud to lead play</span><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">too much TV or computer, not enough movement</div>
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this is not a problem even then she dont sit and watch she is still up and down here there playing (this is actually something we are dealing with now she wants to go to the movies but cant go 15 min without talaking moving playing getting up)<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">None of those may apply, I'm just running through a list of things I've seen causing behavior stuff in little kids.<br><br>
Is she nice some of the time or always disagreeable? Does she cuddle with you? Like to be read to? Have sleep problems? A picky eater?</div>
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it is both you never know which you will get<br>
loves to cuddle she fidgets tho, cosleeps on me or must touch me<br>
she loves her books to look at them and read to her but she fidgets, moves, jumps, talks ect.. can read a little she says i dont know for words i know she knows argues about what it says what the words are.<br>
no sleep problems<br>
she will and does eat everything
 

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It sounds sort of like hyperactivity stuff, but it could be dangerous to take her to a regular doctor because they'll give her drugs.<br><br>
I've run out of ideas and questions, sorry!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It sounds sort of like hyperactivity stuff, but it could be dangerous to take her to a regular doctor because they'll give her drugs.<br><br>
I've run out of ideas and questions, sorry!</div>
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omg that is my fears my dr thankfully dont do anything because she is healthy and being homeschooled there is no bitching from teaches i guess that is why she never brought them up <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"><br><br>
but it is not just being hyper the hyper i can deal with it is hard to explain all of the things she does it is the things that you say and then she does it anyways the second you ask her not to this is the way it goes when asked why did you do that she says "i dont know" i say did you hear what i said she says "yes you said ..." me so why didnt you listen her "i dont know i cant stop"<br>
dont think that i am young im 29 or have not been around kids i have been around kids my whole life started babysitting at 10 worked as a nanny done the daycare KG classes even my mother is at her wits end we just are like i dont know i am the youngest of 8 she has 11 sib. big family and no one can make heads or tails of her actions at this point i have tried everything even if it is sugested to me i try it taking away all artifical, surgars, flavors, colors no change, taking out things she eats drinks, setting up more structure that is really bad idea she is like me and hates it, reward system tried everything i can think of in that way from stickers to money, bribing, ...............and the list goes on i am lost i dont know what to do i have posted in gd all i got was take out artifical thats it this is my last hope post i dont know what to do it is killing my brain and stressing me out have to plan my life on how she is was to go out all week couldnt cause of the way she was acting i knew if i went out it would be hell
 

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You might want to read this thread:<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=495656" target="_blank"><b>Reversal of damage from Vaccines</b></a><br><br>
Maybe she is vaccine damaged? Maybe all those metals are making her sort of hyper? From what you describe it sounds like there is a serious problem.<br><br>
The reason why I asked whether she's ever had any infections is because high fevers and infections often times mature the child. You said she didn't have any yet.<br><br>
Why hasn't she had any high fevers? Most kids end up with a fever sooner or later. That is something that is very beneficial in helping children's development.
 

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Well, one more thing that might help...<br><br>
My daughter, who runs a daycare, says that for some children, saying: "don't do that" focuses them on what they aren't supposed to do and they are compelled to do it. So, you could try framing everything you say to her in positive terms:<br><br>
"You may come in now."<br>
"Let's play with this" (rather than, "don't touch that")<br>
And so on. Trying to avoid as much as possible getting into struggling with her about stuff, arguing with her about stuff, and trying to control her. My granddaughter was a fairly difficult child in many ways, and my daughter spent a lot of time trying to arrange her day and environment to head off problems before they arose, because once things went wrong it was so difficult to get back out of the hysteria and wildness. Children nowadays can be burdened with too many choices and decisions. For example, for getting dressed, a parent can say: "this shirt or this shirt?" Rather than opening the drawer and saying "What shirt do you want to wear today?" So giving her a limited number of appropriate and safe options may be somewhat calming. Sigh. I'll admit, I just don't know what might help.<br><br>
It does sound as though there is some underlying cause, and vaccines may be the trigger, so some sort of detoxification might help, but...pretty hard without some knowledgeable help.<br><br>
I agree with Gitti that a good bout of sickness with a nice fever might be truly helpful. My granddaughter matured a lot after she had chickenpox <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Quite normal activity for a Gemini I would say! They have to be going, going, going and talking, talking, talking all the time---they are onto their next thought and activity before you have a chance to say boo! Keep her busy!<br>
No more vaccines either....
 

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In all honesty...it may just be her personality developing. She may just be a strong willed and opinionated person. My son is a lot like this, and had very few selective vaccines before we stopped at 9 months. Yes, some days I just want to rip all of my hair out...but he is just a high energy, high tempered kid, and I try to remember that someday this will all translate into "driven" and "leadership qualities" on his resume <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
She doesn't sound "damaged" to me, and I would be very hesitant to jump in and think that something is wrong just becuase she is being more difficult than she used to be. From your post, it sounds like she is doing great, and is just a more spirited child.
 

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HOnestly she just sounds like a little bit on the hyper side, but normal. My DD is 4 and while she is a handful, she is also very smart. I have found that I have to keep a tight rein on her, keep her in line and motivated to listen at all times. I know when/if she goes to school it will be harder for her b/c of her temperment, but she has been this way since birth, always alert, active, interested. We don't to art. stuff, sugars, dyes, ect., but she is still a really active little girl. My second child is not near as difficult, adn I really didn't realize how much more difficult #1 was until I had #2. I'd say just give her plenty of free time to play outside, but also you may need to rein in your discipline to a more strict nature than you normally would. I'm not saying to not use GD, I'm saying to really keep things from getting out of hand in the first place, make and enforce boundaries/limits, have a certain voice that means business and lets her know she over-stepped the boundaries, have consequences for her actions. I firmly believe that some kids need more boundaries than others, and my older DD is one of them. SHe is a really great kid, but is so excitable/hyper that she can loose herself if I allow it by not enforcing rules. Keeping her from getting overly hyper helps tremendously, when I notice she is getting a little wound up I call her down, change activities, ect.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">HOnestly she just sounds like a little bit on the hyper side, but normal. My DD is 4 and while she is a handful, she is also very smart. I have found that I have to keep a tight rein on her, keep her in line and motivated to listen at all times. I know when/if she goes to school it will be harder for her b/c of her temperment, but she has been this way since birth, always alert, active, interested. We don't to art. stuff, sugars, dyes, ect., but she is still a really active little girl. My second child is not near as difficult, adn I really didn't realize how much more difficult #1 was until I had #2. I'd say just give her plenty of free time to play outside, but also you may need to rein in your discipline to a more strict nature than you normally would. I'm not saying to not use GD, I'm saying to really keep things from getting out of hand in the first place, make and enforce boundaries/limits, have a certain voice that means business and lets her know she over-stepped the boundaries, have consequences for her actions. I firmly believe that some kids need more boundaries than others, and my older DD is one of them. SHe is a really great kid, but is so excitable/hyper that she can loose herself if I allow it by not enforcing rules. Keeping her from getting overly hyper helps tremendously, when I notice she is getting a little wound up I call her down, change activities, ect.</div>
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I totally agree with all of this. My dd sounds just like your dd except she is 5. I do have to be more strict with her than her friends parents are with their kids. If she sees somebody getting away with something, she automatically assumes that she can do it too. I'm homeschooling her and one of the main reasons is that I know that school would crush her. She is extremely intelligent, very creative, very empathic (sp?). But I think it all overwhelms her. Her beh goes in cycles. She can be extremely loving and caring and in the blink of an eye she can be melting down, yelling, slamming doors. BTW, she was on sched for vaxes through 3yo. No vaxes since.
 
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