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I just recieved this e-mail from an anti-spanking organization requesting you make a comment to Amazon as well as boycotting them until they stop selling the Pearl's book.<br><br>
Dear Friends,<br><br>
I think it's time to complain to Amazon about selling baby-whipping<br>
books! Barnes & Noble had the decency to stop selling 4 of them, let's<br>
ask Amazon to do the same!<br><br>
Please write your comments in this box (scroll to bottom of page):<br><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2Fcustomer-reviews%2F1892112000%2Fref%3Dcm_cr_dp_2_1%2F002-5180512-4192033%3F_encoding%3DUTF8%26customer-reviews.sort_by%3D-SubmissionDate%26n%3D283155" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...nDate&n=283155</a><br><br>
Here is a sample letter:<br><br>
Dear Amazon, please stop selling the following books that recommend<br>
whipping infants under 1 year of age:<br><br>
1) "To Train Up a Child" by Michael & Debi Pearl<br>
p.9 Whipping infants as young as 4 months with wooden sticks and<br>
plastic pipes on their bare skin. Parents have been investigated by<br>
Child Protective Services, children have been taken away from parents,<br>
a restraining order against a father, and even a babysitter has gone to<br>
jail on felony charges for following the Pearl's baby-whipping advice.<br>
A mother beat her children and killed her son after following the Pearl's<br>
baby-whipping advice <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/418676.html" target="_blank">http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/418676.html</a><br><br>
I know the article in the news observer is not new to most but it was included in the e-mail I recieved so I thought I'd include it in this post as well.
 

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Buy Blue!<br><br>
For political reasons, I've switched all of my online book buying to Barnes&Noble anyway.<br><br>
The interface is harder to use than Amazon, but I'm committed to voting with my wallet.<br><br><a href="http://www.buyblue.org/" target="_blank">http://www.buyblue.org/</a>
 

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I use only Barnes and Noble now for this very reason. Plus I like their shipping much better. Although I do still own stock in Amazon. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/bag.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Bag">:
 

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I sent my comment to amazon. I was a good customer but will NOT shop through them anymore.<br>
I'm sure that they are NOT going to happy with what I put.<br>
I think that perhaps Amazon should be SUED. Maybe then they will get the message that condoning CHILD ABUSE will not be tolerated.
 

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I was actually shocked that these type of books were avail that openly. I always just figured you'd have to go to the Pearls site to get the Pearls books. WOW how little I knew until I began reading lately.
 

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<a href="http://www.responsibleshopper.org/basic.cfm?cusip=023135" target="_blank">http://www.responsibleshopper.org/ba...m?cusip=023135</a><br><br>
they have some other problems too.
 

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I used to only shop at Borders - but then they got bought out by Amazon. I really don't like B&N - they're a PITA. I try to buy at my local Borders or small bookseller, but sometimes, I can't afford that extra money they charge.<br><br>
I did put a comment up re: the pearls on amazon and it's still there. So, that's good.<br><br>
Thanks for the linkies tho!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">As much as I hate the Pearls I don't believe in censoring books. Education, education education.</div>
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You make a good point but I don't know... I'm still not confortable with saying I'm OK with supporting a company that resells child abuse manuals.
 

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I stopped shopping at Amazon.com a long time ago. I am originally from Minnesota and there is a feminist bookstore in Minneapolis called Amazon Bookstore. They got into a legal battle with Amazon for name rights (don't remember who sued who) and Amazon.com's legal defense was that the Amazon Bookstore owners were lesbians, and therefore not entitled to the name, or something like that.
 

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Yup, ditto.<br><br>
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I don't consider telling a store that I will no longer shop there because their values seem to be out of line with my own censorship. Thats using my consumer power to make a statement. They still have a choice about what to do.<br><br>
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While I certainly don't believe in the book, I am very much against censorship. On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with voting with your wallet!
 

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As the PP pointed out, it is not censorship. Censorship involves the gov't deciding what is OK and what is not. How is asking Amazon to stop selling those books and start having ones its customers want any different than Mothering's "no supporting spanking" policy?
 

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OT...<br><br>
Another good internet seller, BTW, is AbeBooks. I work at a little independent bookstore, and our books sell on Amazon, Alibris, B&N, and AbeBooks. I like AbeBooks best and it is easier to find things (I use their site as my first-choice reference when setting/comparing used book prices. )<br><br>
Do they restrict based on content--or would they for this? I don't know. I doubt they have been approached. They company started in the UK, I think, FWIW it is different in that way yet most of their listings are available here in US.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">As the PP pointed out, it is not censorship. Censorship involves the gov't deciding what is OK and what is not. How is asking Amazon to stop selling those books and start having ones its customers want any different than Mothering's "no supporting spanking" policy?</div>
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I guess we disagree on the definition of censorship then. Because I see it as a much broader definition than just government. Have you ever lived in an area where you can't get the info you are seeking because someone else has decided that you shouldn't read it? How would you feel if a group decided to boycott bookstores for selling books about gays and lesbians? Or about sex education? Or about vaccine awareness? Or about political views that are controvesial? I can tell you right now that there are plenty of groups that think that those books shouldn't be available either.<br><br>
I live in a city well known for it's supposed decadence and I can tell you right now that there are books that you don't see on the shelves of the local bookstore that I'm forced to buy at Amazon. I thank the Gods that places like Amazon exist and that I have an internet connection to shop online.
 

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oh and FTR of course if you don't want to shop somewhere for whatever reason don't. But I do take issue with attempting to limit other peoples access to books based on your values.
 
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