"It's Cleaner"

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LokiPuck

Discussion Starter · Jun 17, 2007

This was the response I got from MIL when she found out that I did not circ our son and then wanted to know why not. I told her there is no medical reason to do so and that a person is not dirty or defective for having a foreskin. I also told her it would be easier to keep our eyes clean if we didn't have eyelids, but we don't slice those off at birth, do we?

She acted like I am just doing DS such a disservice by not having him circed. She thinks he will need it done when he is older anyway because intact boys always have problems according to her.

This just makes me so angry! What business is it of anyone's as to the status of my child's genitals, and what right do they have to say anything about it!

She said all of this stuff in front of DH, and I don't want him thinking we made the wrong choice. I had to tread very carefully (as he is obviously circed) when I was trying to convince him that we didn't need to do it.

What I really wanted to say to her was, just because you bought into the party line that it was OK for you let your sons be mutilated in that way doesn't mean I have to let the cycle of violence continue.

Sorry this sounds ranty, but it kills me that people, and family at that, already do not accept my baby just as he is and have to criticize me for protecting my son.

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fishface

· #2 · Jun 17, 2007

A friend of mine said yesterday that a friend of his has been circed in the past few years as an adult. He said it's easier to clean. I told his friend must have been lazy beyond belief, because it's not exactly challenging as an adult to pull back your foreskin to wash, then wash, then put foreskin back in its place.

: I don't know what exactly changed in his hygeine routine after circ, but apparently now he's willing to clean his penis.

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Yulia_R

· #3 · Jun 17, 2007

a letter that I put together for one of my husband's friends. I have no idea why don't you tell your MIL just how damaging circ is. I figured maybe you could use some facts. Good luck! and make sure to show it to your husband so he knows that his mom did THAT to him for no good reason. Trust me, after your dh reads those studies he will be absolutely proud of you for leaving your son intact!
yulia.

trmpetplaya

· #4 · Jun 17, 2007

And a vagina would be cleaner if it was turned inside out

: Maybe it'd be easier to get rid of yeast infections later in life if we turned all baby girls' vaginas inside out at birth... does that mean we should do it?

love and peace.

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JustJamie

· #5 · Jun 17, 2007

Hit her up with facts.

Fact #1: US and Israel are the only two countries in the world that still practice routine infant circumcision.

Fact #2: Most males in Europe are intact.

Therefore - if circ really is cleaner, the rates of infection and disease would, logically, be much higher in Europe than the rates in the U.S. Easy enough to check on the WHO's website. (The rates are not higher. As I recall, they're either the same, or slightly lower.)

fishface

· #6 · Jun 17, 2007

I checked up on European HIV stats many months ago and the US rate is FAR, FAR higher. Hmm, we're all cut and they're not, yet their sexual culture is more liberal than ours and our disease rate is higher? My UA violation boyfriend cites the Kenya/Uganda study constantly but brushes this off as "well something else is different with the culture that is making people protect themselves."

Not THIS many people.

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CaraNicole

· #7 · Jun 17, 2007

tell her that you will circ DS if she goes and has HERSELF circ... it's CLEANER

: (please take a pic i wanna see her face) i would ask her if she knew "women actually have the hardest time cleaning down there, we produce more segma" i still don't understand why people care so much about a young childs genitals...wow...we left it alone, must be bad parents b/c we didn't chop our child!

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Bm31

· #8 · Jun 17, 2007

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I told his friend must have been lazy beyond belief, because it's not exactly challenging as an adult to pull back your foreskin to wash, then wash, then put foreskin back in its place.

: I don't know what exactly changed in his hygeine routine after circ, but apparently now he's willing to clean his penis.

REALLY!!! This is nothing but an after-the-fact justification/mind game this guy has to play with himself. My original circ was extremely loose, very similar to having a full foreskin. However, since it was separated from the glans and was missing the sphinchter part on the tip which would've helped keep it closed and foreign matter away from the glans, it had to be cleaned daily. I did it myself from the age of 3 with NO PROBLEM. It wasn't rocket science. These guys that get later circ's and cite this after the fact are just rationalizing and trying to reassure themselves that they gained SOMETHING by cutting off part of their penis.

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Fi.

· #9 · Jun 17, 2007

Last time I checked, we didn't cut off body parts because they needed to be washed...we washed them.

captivatedlife

· #10 · Jun 18, 2007

The only thing I can advocate cutting "just because it's dirty" is your
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trmpetplaya

· #11 · Jun 18, 2007

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The only thing I can advocate cutting "just because it's dirty" is your
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Well... I must admit that sometimes I cut my fingernails when they're dirty 'cause I don't feel like scrubbing under them. And if they're long enough to be very dirty then it's hard to play piano... but other than fingernails or hair (my parents made me keep my hair short until I could take care of it...) I can't think of anything else that should be cut to prevent having to wash

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love and peace.

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eepster

· #12 · Jun 18, 2007

I have long hair I just wash it. I used to have short hair I washed it then too. I have to admit though that DS's hair (he sometimes rubs his head while eating) is harder to keep clean than his penis, but he is so cute with hair.

I'm pretty sure every body should wash all their body parts on a regular basis.

Collinsky

· #13 · Jun 18, 2007

Of course any boy who was intact a generation or two ago had "problems" -- they used to routinely manually retract them beginning in infancy!

And somehow, girls manage to learn to keep their parts clean and hygienic. And even an intact penis seems tons easier to me. I know several uncircumcised men, and they don't have any problems. Or regrets or envy either.

The foreskin is a lot like the eyelid or the labia: rather than being something that creates dirtiness, it actually protects a sensitive organ *against* dirt and germs.

BeckC

· #14 · Jun 18, 2007

I just don't see how it would be difficult to convince a man to play with his penis in the shower for a few seconds every day.

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SammyJr

· #15 · Jun 18, 2007

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I just don't see how it would be difficult to convince a man to play with his penis in the shower for a few seconds every day.

So true. As I always say, "If you need to tell a man to touch himself, tell him to seek mental help!"

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