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Or wait . . . those weren't his EXACT words. His EXACT words were a tad less pointed <insert 'passive aggressive' emoticon here> were, "Well, I would better know how to treat your child if he had his immunizations." And then more . . . "You know thousands upon thousands MORE children died before immunizations than have died from immunizations." And my favorite, "All the web indicates so . . . " I have half a mind to fill up several full length printed pages with links ON THE WEB that say otherwise.<br><br>
Well, had to vent as I'm processing our most recent ER visit with our son, Kenny. I always believed that by breastfeeding, giving vitamins and choosing healthy foods, natural living and birthing, cloth diapering, non-vacc'ing, that I was giving him the most optimal head start to a long, healthy life. And yet, I have come to realize that some babies just ARE more susceptible than others - naturally so - to 'catch' what is in the air, to develop allergies, and in Kenny's case to possibly show symptoms of asthma, to have reflux, inflammation, wheezing, etc. . .<br><br>
It makes me wonder what he would have suffered if we had immunized him on schedule as EVERYONE in the past few days have asserted we have failed him by not doing. I see it as quite the opposite, but gave up trying to convince those that were saying otherwise.<br><br>
I have questions regarding his treatments and etc. . . but need to research the archives before posting something that might have already been answered elsewhere. If anyone knows any horrible side effects to albuterol, xopenex, zantac, prednisolone please let me know what you know.<br><br><i>Edited for spelling mistakes - though there are some left, I believe.</i>
 

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Heather, I'm sorry you and your son are having to go through all this.<br><br>
I just wanted to add that my son is on Zantac for reflux-- we've tried I think EVERY alternative remedy-- herbal, chiropractic, homeopathic, craniosacral, even a shamanic reading(!!!) to no avail-- only the Zantac seems to work. I have exhausted what's out there trying to find definitive answers to it's long term effects in children, and the overwhelming answer is "long range studies have not been performed". In fact (and someone correct me if I;m wrong) I believe it's still an off-lable use for it in infants.<br><br>
But we can't stop it... we've tried, and the results are horrible, screaming, writhing, nursing strikes, wheezing.... so I continue to give it, and hope to find more info....<br><br>
Just wanted to know you aren't alone in this... It's so hard to make these natural choices for our babes, and then feel backed into a corner.
 

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Hi Heather! I am sorry your ped is being stupid!<br><br>
Re: Albuterol........when my son was 7 months the dr said he had a slight bout of RSV and wheezing so he prescribed me albuterol but said it was up to me to give it or not but if it was his child he wouldnt because he said it had some "yucky" side affects whatever that means. We didnt use it and he was better with his wheezing within a week. Hope that helps some!
 

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....you've done a great service to your son by not vaccinating him.<br><br>
I know nothing of your, your son's diet and general health but I would really like to know more.<br><br>
My 20 month old son's health is unbelieveable-- and I would share it if I could.<br><br>
As Hippocrates said (or wrote?) food is our medicine.<br><br>
You might start with anti-biotic and hormone free meats, and as many organic vegetables as possible. Environmental Working Group (ewg.org) has great info on which vegetables have the worst pesticide load.<br><br>
Have you tried a probiotic yogurt?<br><br>
I culture two different types and my boy has had them since birth.<br><br>
I would wet my finger, put on the powder and press it between his mouth and my wife's nipple when he was suckling from day one. When he got measles at 18 months his immune system was so strong he barely had a rash.<br><br><br>
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probiotics-yes!<br><br>
find a good quality ,local yogurt, teeming with positive bacteria.<br><br>
eliminate refined carbs from your diets. that means no whites. make your carbs brown and whole. refined starch turns quickly to sugar in the gut and blood, messing up your positive intestinal bacteria.<br><br>
eliminate juice--NO JUICE! juice is extrordinarily sweet and can have molds, etc, in it. eat FRUIT AND WATER instead.<br><br>
eliminate sweet soy and rice drinks. sugar.<br><br>
make a good yogurt your primary dairy and cut way back on milk.<br><br>
add lots of mineral rich leafy green and dark green veggies. eat beans in some form everyday. pinto beans, hummous, bean soup.<br><br>
triple the veggies, QUADRUPLE THE VEGGIES. this gives vitamins and natural enzymes, especially in raw veggies. they are full of detoxifying FIBER, and anti-oxidants. MY KIDS WOLF DOWN THE SALAD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO EAT IT BEFORE I'LL SERVE THEM THE OTHER STUFF THEY WANT.<br><br>
raw carrot detoxifies the blood by binding with toxins in the colon and eliminating them in the poop. we eat raw carrot everyday for that helpful insoluble fiber.<br><br>
eat a little veggie and protein anytime you eat, to keep blood sugar stable. this is key.<br><br>
this kind of diet has definitely reduced allergy symptoms in our family. if it's processed, packaged, dyed, etc. PASS IT UP.<br><br>
DON'T DEPRIVE YOURSELF, JUST MAKE IT COMPLEX.<br><br>
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Thank you for the suggestion . . . we do eat somewhat healthy - I say 'somewhat' because we still have meat and dairy - just in minimal amounts. I'm going to our local herbal and natural food store for suggestions as well today.<br><br>
However, we have been told by the pulmonologist that xopenex is an alternative to albuterol. I'm going to look for it today. It is difficult to find and expensive (apparently). It also has to be administered through a nebulizer. She said there are considerably less side effects . . . the side effect we have seen is hyper, hyper, hyper activity! Geez, the first night he had does he was up ALL NIGHT LONG. The abuterol is being used as an inhalant with a spacer and it must irritate him, because it causes him to cough. We were told the xopenex would not do that and cut down on hyper-ness.<br><br>
BTW my Pediatrician rocks - it was the ER doctors that were pissy. My ped. is a practicing naturapath that I was fortunate enough to find in the TriCare (military insurance) system! Yahoo!
 

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It makes me wonder what he would have suffered if we had immunized him on schedule as EVERYONE in the past few days have asserted we have failed him by not doing. I see it as quite the opposite, but gave up trying to convince those that were saying otherwise.</b></td>
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this is exactly right... people who don't bf do this to women who did nurse, if their children end up w/ a lot of sickness in their life. they say, well, you bf'ed him, & look how many colds he gets.<br><br><b><i>I</i></b> say, think how much sicker he'd have been if you had <b>NOT</b> nursed him.<br><br>
the same is true of course for kenny, as you know! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> i have no advice on the meds. etc. but just wanted to support that you are doing a great job, & that ER dr. was a real doofus.
 

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Heather ~ I can't speak to the rest of the meds you're talking about, but I'm currently on Prednisone for a lung problem (hypersensitivity pneumonitis - basically, an extremely severe allergic reaction that is inflamming and bursting my aveoli...). It's helping, but a LOT more slowly than I was promised, and the side effects are terrible. If you can keep Kenny off of it, or at least keep his time on it to a minimum, I highly recommend that. The major side effect is a compromised immune system (which is the point - it's used to counteract a hyper-immune reaction), so it makes you more succeptible to EVERYTHING else. Another side effect I've had is the jitters - to the point where I had to take yet another med (similar to valium) just to be able to calm down enough to sleep. It's nasty stuff. If you do wind up needing to use it, there are books written about the side effects that you might want to look into getting. If he's on it for a long period of time at a high dose, the side effects get worse. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> It should really be considered a drug of last resort, IMO. I hope that you guys never get there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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Trinity was on Zantac when she was a newborn. She had transient tecapnea (sp?) (i.e. she was breathing fast and they didn't know why) she had no other symptoms, no fever, no nothing, but since I tested positive with group b strep and her older brother had transient tecapnea too they put her under a kazillion tests including a spinal tap and she was put on anti-biotics "to get ahead of the bacteria" incase they found bacteria - which they did not. After all the tests all that they could find was silly newborn reflux. I say silly newborn reflux because ALL NEWBORNS spit up, it’s what they do, and she showed no other signs of discomfort. She grew out of it within a few months, like most babies do. Sorry to hear your little guy has the real thing! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
They gave her Zantac and the Dr said “one theory is that the acidity of the stomach helps prevent infections so using zantac and reducing the acidity may make her more susceptible to infections” I’m putting that in quotes, because I’m taking him for his word (haven’t done any research on it myself). But that was the only side effect he mentioned, oh and he prescribed a special mix of Zantac that contains no alcohol. You might want to ask for that. WHY is alcohol in there anyway? :LOL But I have to warn you, it was a pain to find a pharmacy who was willing to make it for us.<br><br><br>
Good luck! BTW, It's nice to see you on the boards again! We miss you!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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what's albuterol and what do they prescribe it for?<br><br>
Also, I have to second what the parents posted about diet. I personally have a completely robust and totally healthy 20 month old who has never had meat of any kind and ets very little dairy.<br><br>
The importance of diet is the absolutel cornerstone to health. I would seriously look at making a dietary unverhaul with your son before you start him on any therapy or drug - holitic or not.<br><br>
Meat is very bad for health, organic or not.<br><br>
Anyway - good luck!
 

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Hilary, wish I had you in tow for a witty, yet informative, comeback. Mine was simply a look and then my standard, "Well, God gave him to me - guess <b>I</b> am supposed to decide what would be best for him."<br><br><b>Oatmeal</b><br>
Albuterol works from the inside-out to help open up his airways when they are constricting due to infection.<br><br>
Well, Kenny doesn't eat meat (he's 10 months), but I do. He eats vegetables, drinks breastmilk and water and favors cheerios for a dry snack. I am certain we should have an eating overhaul and incorporate more veggies and green leafies into our diet. This trip into more natural decisions has been one step at a time and thankfully, we've had these boards for the support and resource, b/c REAL LIFE is often quite void of such interactions. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T<br><br>
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thank you for posting. I'm going to enlarge the text of your post and post it on my fridge. See, now I didn't know that about the Carrots. Care to share your favorite Nutrition <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/reading.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="reading"> books? I am very aware that healthy eating will make us stronger, etc... but it's so hard to do so sometimes. Getting greens into the diet is a challenge. I make a yummy Spinach soup, Miso soup... but I need more recipes that are easy to make. (I know, I know, this post should probably be on another board.)<br><br>
But I do drink Wheat Grass whenever I can. I give my DS a half teaspoon of Essential Fatty "assis." DS is addicted to orange juice. DH <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hat"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer"> encouraged it. At least I insist on diluting it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
Kefir - I tried drinking it once. :puke It was too... something. Tart? If anybody (on another thread/board - invite me) cares to share how they make Kefir shakes, I've love to hear it.
 

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thanks, that is nice of you to appreciate my advice, because, of course, in the real world, people hate advice. only in cyberland do they ASK for advice.<br><br>
raw carrots as blood detoxifiers, i actually read in a confusing little book called FROM PMS TO MENOPAUSE, FEMALE HORMONES IN CONTEXT. along with other toxics, insoluble fiber helps reduce breast cancer risk by binding with excess estrogen in the colon that would otherwise re-enter the bloodstream.<br><br>
i can't think of a book, right now. i guess we eat a sort of health food version of the atkins idea, if you understand the atkins diet as primarily veggies and protein at each meal or snack. we don't eat bacon and we do eat whole (and i mean whole) grains. but we've reduced grains quite a bit the last year or two.<br><br>
my husband lost quite a bit of weight mostly by cutting out the whites and focusing on the veggies. he does eat lots of beans and tofu, too. and rides his bike to work.<br><br>
a book that i found really helpful is THE BREAST CANCER PREVENTION DIET, by dr. bob arnot. he explains the value of whole foods, high fiber foods, organic foods, healthful oils (stick with olive oil). you may think a book like that is off the topic, but i recommend it. try the library.<br><br>
i'll have to try wheatgrass.<br><br>
good yogurt without sugar is pretty tart, too. this is where the fruit and wheat germ and chooped almonds come in.<br><br>
when my husband gives my son a bunch of pizza, or when we're eating food chosen by our relatives, that's when my son starts to get really itchy and inflamed with excema.<br><br>
you'll be a great detective, i'll bet.<br><br>
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My family member that treat their asthma are raving about the new nebulizers that are sound driving instead of motor driven. They are tiny and very quiet. If you end up with a nebulizer, look into those if you can. Most everyone I know with an infant with asthma uses a nebulizer, it seems to do a good job at preventing those 48 hour hospital stays that accompany illnesses.<br>
I would try to stay off the inhaled steriods if possible, as research is not clear to the effects. It looks like they stunt growth, perhaps temporarily. From taking them as an adult, I have not noticed any problems, and I like them much much better than whole-body steroids. It's a balancing act, only no one knows the pivot point.<br>
As far as meat...I would not go as far as to say "meat is very bad for health, organic or otherwise". Try anything to see if it helps, but keep your strength up too. You have to be the mom to those babies too, not just chief cook and bottlewasher (and taxi and doctor and...).
 

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Oh, more stuff. Have you propped him up to sleep? It can help bunches with that "can't breathe" feeling. It's one time when even babies might need a pillow. You can prop up the head of the bed with blocks, making the whole bed a slant board, or use a wedge foam pillow. I personally use an airline pillow, those U-shaped things? I got a child-size one for my baby sister, too. I don't know if she likes it, but it's a lifesaver for me. It lets me go to bed instead of sleeping in a recliner all night. Ick, asthma.<br><br>
One last thing before I go to bed. Reflux can lead to "false asthma." The acids irritate the lining of the bronchial tubes, causing wheezing and asthma like spasms. I hold hope that if you can successfully treat or he can outgrow his reflux, that the wheezing will dissappear.
 

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heather, you've probably already thought of this, but have you asked your landlord to do a cleaning of all the heating and air ducts? who knows when they were last cleaned and the crap they spew into the air can definitely increase asthma symptoms in people.<br>
just a thought.<br>
oh, my mom has severe food allergies and if she eats something forbidden she can trigger an asthma attack. maybe there's a bit of that going on with Kenny as well?<br>
hope he's doing better.<br>
if you want him to see a chiro, i know a really good one who doesn't charge for the first visit for a child and then it's only $27 after that.
 

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I buy the fruit blend Kefir. Probably would be better to add my own fresh fruit and mix it in a blender, but <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> you know how that is. It would probably also be better for me to grow my own organic grain, mill it myself and make freash bread every morning, too. :LOL I don't know how the settlers did it. (less technology to make their lives *easier* I guess). Anyway kefir was a little too thick for me, so I mix it 3 parts kefir 1 part organic milk. Then it's like a yogurt smoothie. YUM!<br><br>
Now that I've got it in my diet, my question is - how much is too much? I've been trying to keep it to about a glass a day after dinner. (helps cut the cravings for after dinner snacks too.
 

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I do believe Dom site suggests Kefir in the morning and in the<br><br>
evening.<br><br><a href="http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html" target="_blank">http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html</a>
 
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