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lyeterae ~ Baby boy born February 2011
annie ~ Baby girl born April 7, 2011
Barefootscientist ~ Baby boy born May 30, 2011
AnnieA (due 7/18) ~ Baby girl born July 17, 2011
MarineWife (due 7/30) ~ Baby boy born July 25, 2011

MovingMomma ~ 8/9
Baby_Cakes ~ 8/16
akind1 ~ 9/28
mom2one ~ 10/23
jeninejessica ~ 12/1
Kindermama ~ 1/6

Link to last month's thread: http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/thread/1315673/june-2011-whatever-ladies-graduates
 

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A new month and after a break in babies we have two that could come this month.
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Or maybe one this month and 3 next month. I'm still rooting for August 1 for me.
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I've ventured out and gotten involved in a few other threads on here and it's so nerve wracking. It's interesting but I'm also wondering what I've gotten myself into and sometimes am scared to check the threads for new posts.

Anyway, heartburn is killing me today. Ugh! I'm eating Tums like they are candy and it's doing nothing. DS2 is spending the night at a friend's house, maybe. It's right next door (yes, that boy) so it will be easy for him to come home in the middle of the night if he gets scared. We tried a sleep over here Thursday night but ds got scared and wanted to get in bed with me but he couldn't leave his friend alone. I tried laying down with ds in his bed with the friend in the other bed in the boys' room but then the friend started crying and said he was scared and wanted to go home. So, I called his mom at around 2 am and he went home.
 

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A new month and after a break in babies we have two that could come this month.
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Or maybe one this month and 3 next month. I'm still rooting for August 1 for me.
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I've ventured out and gotten involved in a few other threads on here and it's so nerve wracking. It's interesting but I'm also wondering what I've gotten myself into and sometimes am scared to check the threads for new posts.
Babies are going to start coming soon! I can't wait to see some whatevering birth announcements!!

I'm always paranoid when I branch out...I've started clicking New Posts again and I'm usually terrified scrolling down. I like my bubble of my DDC and you guys, lol.
 

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Yes, bubbles are nice!

MW: i agree re: attempting a breech homebirth, although I think midwives are actually trained to attend them at least, and MD's are just trained to do c-sections in the event of a breech birth. Dreams are funny things, aren't they? I dreamt too that DH was having an affair with another woman, married, with 2 kids. I asked him - in the dream - what would make him stop, he said getting a job. LOL

I can't wait to see all these babies! have a bunch coming here on MDC and IRL for me. If I weren't pregnant, I would be super broody.

AFU: I think we are set to officially move next weekend. MIL wants to help box up stuff, but DH doesn't want her to. She gets kind of frenzied and doesn't really work in an organized fashion. (may be our fault for not having a game plan). While I am not exactly looking forward to sharing a house, etc, I am looking forward to this move just being DONE.

JJ: on the TMI front, I think I have finally gotten to the point where DTD is just plain uncomfortable. need to work on something or some way to make it less so. and I have 3 more months! (I don't remember when or if I got to that point with DS, we were pretty infrequent during that pregnancy).

hope everyone enjoys the 4th!
 

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I keep getting sucked in by the Next Thread notice underneath the threads.

I've been having more serious cxts the last few days. Still nothing regular but they definitely stronger.
 

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hi

not sure if you are still adding new names or not to the list - but I have been following this thread from back before anyone was pregnant - and I too am expecting - #3 this time. I guess I should change my screen name I am due October 23. If you want to add me you can. I don't post too often - I feel like I am a thread killer - every time I post somewhere the thread dies! lol I do feel like I know all of you as I read all the new posts everyday!

I just found out this weekend that one of my very good friends is pregnant too - very unexpected and totally unplanned and she is freaking out. She suffers from anxiety and depression and is on meds for it but she will have to go off them and she is already having panic attacks and such so she is not having a good time right now. I am trying to help her see all of the positives of this and get her excited - I think she needs to get her mind off the negatives and the worries and try to focus on the good things. Any ideas or suggestions that would help with the anxiety?

Another question I have - I know I should probably know this but anyway - how much does the baby really move around in there?? I mean at this point (24 wks) it still have room in there so it flipping and moving around a lot or does it pretty much just stay in one position other than rolling and kicking? I always feel the kicks and punches on either side - nothing too much at the top and bottom yet - well maybe a little at the bottom but nothing major. No real reason for asking just curious is all.

Anyone getting crafty for the baby? I have been crocheting a little - we don't know the sex so I am making little hats for boys and girls and will sell or give away whichever ones I don't need. I love to crochet and have not had a chance to do it for my own LO yet so I am quite excited - I should post pics to get your opinions. So far I have a piggy hat for a girl and an owl hat for a boy. I am working on a giraffe hat and then I want to make little newsboy hats for both sexes with matching cocoons. I was thinking of trying to get gender neutral colors but I know that once the baby is here I will want their things to be either boy or girl so people don't have to guess when they see them!

Well I'm off to pick up DD1 from her very first sleepover! It was nice to have just DD2 alone last night.
 

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mom2*three* - congrats! I think it may depend on the little one, the movement, how much, etc. I am nearly 28 weeks and she does move a bunch, when she wants to, I think at this point, most babies haven't really settled into a position yet. I know with this pregnancy, she goes from transverse to up and down quite often. I think they don't really settle into a position until the last month. Now, I will say, she seems most comfy on my left side. I always feel the bulk of her over there. With my first, he was more comfortable on my right side. She also seems to be lower in general than my first . . . so I do really think it depends on the baby.

I plan on crocheting . . .we will see if I get around to it!

DS loved the fireworks! we were near another LO near his age that cried the whole time. I am so glad that DS likes them, because I do! DD moved a whole bunch during the show, but I don't know if that is because she liked them or not.
 

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A new month and after a break in babies we have two that could come this month.
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Or maybe one this month and 3 next month. I'm still rooting for August 1 for me.
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Or 3 this month and 1 next, or even all 4 next month!
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I think my baby has dropped, but she's still posterior. mom2one, I've felt very few positional changes w/my babies. This one has been head down for as long as I've been able to identify head up or down (somewhere around mid 20 wks) and she's only been in 3 different positions. That's total, not flipping back & forth between the 3! I haven't been gaining much the last month or so, which I have mixed feelings about. I was up 34 lbs at 28 or so weeks, but now I'm 35 lbs at 35 wks. I have a MW appointment today so I'm interested to see if I'm still measuring right on. I actually might be measuring smaller b/c of the dropping.

I'm knitting a matching hat and sweater set for Baby. This is my first sweater, and it's so much fun! I want to get it finished and get in a diaper soaker or two. And there's a super cute pair of booties that I want to knit, but I'm not sure if I can figure out the pattern.
 

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Whew! I'm beat from all the festivities yesterday! We went to a parade in the morning, then I took the younger 3 to the indoor pool for a couple of hours and then off to our town's fireworks which included lots of activities for the kids beforehand. I did so much walking and standing that by the time I got home last night, I was almost in tears because my pelvis and hips hurt so bad! Good thing I have a chiro appt this afternoon! I sure need it.

With the firetruck sirens in the parade and then the fireworks last night, I discovered that loud noises give Ava hiccups! So no clue what we'll do next year for 4th of July...I may be staying home with her while everyone else goes to watch fireworks.
 

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Annie, I brought DS to fireworks when he was 8 months old, and he didn't cry at all. He clung to me a bit, but otherwise seemed to really enjoy the lights. This year he seemed to really enjoy both the lights and the noise; he kept saying BOOM BOOM when it was done. It is really hard to say whether they will like them or not.

Shannon, I don't think DS changed position much, he was vertex from 22 weeks on, I think. This LO seems to like to move positions a lot more. Though she keeps reverting to transverse I think. I am not brave enough to do knitting. (too many horror movies use knitting needles as weapons!). Though I think it goes faster than crocheting.
 

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Welcome, mom2one. Congratulations!
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I'm terrible at remembering timelines but my baby has been mostly head down with his back on my right, facing my left as long as I can remember being able to tell. He did move transverse sometimes but that was when he was much smaller. I would say he has been head down and stayed that way for at least 2 months. I'm 36w now.
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Or 3 this month and 1 next, or even all 4 next month!
Shannon ~ I was thinking this and was going to ask you how you felt about things. There is enough overlap that any one of us could come the month earlier or later. I've been gaining too much lately. I seem to go a week gaining nothing and am happy about that. Then the next week I gain 2-3 lbs. WTH?! It's playing mind games with me. Oh, I don't think I ever mentioned...remember that I was measuring a little ahead in the beginning of this pg? For the past several weeks I've been measuring right on.
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That's an interesting pattern to choose. Do you know any German or are you wanting to learn while you knit? I took German in college but don't remember much of anything. I guess you just figure out how many stitches you need to CO to get 10 centimeters and knit in in garter stitch following the video, huh? Why aren't we friends on Ravelry?

Carrie ~ I've been meaning to say to you that when I was able to feel baby's head, it felt much larger and rounder than his butt. His butt is more narrow and pointy. I can't usually feel his head because he's tucked so far down in my pelvis. Recently, though, it seems his head has come up more. Weird since you'd think he'd be more likely to move down.
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We did our own fireworks in the backyard rather than going to see any. I can't handle the crowds with that sort of thing. Ryan had a BBQ and invited some friends and neighbors. That was cool. I didn't have to do anything. Then he lit the fireworks with the LOs. Very sweet.
 

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MW: i agree re: attempting a breech homebirth, although I think midwives are actually trained to attend them at least, and MD's are just trained to do c-sections in the event of a breech birth.
I think this is true, too. The problem is I've read a few stories about breech babies being lost at homebirths. At least one MW was charged with something and found guilty, I believe, even though the family of the baby didn't hold her responsible. I don't know the circumstances around any of them but that scares me. I think I'd rather be in a hospital where an emergency c-section could be done if needed. The ideal would be to have an experienced MW attend me in a hospital with the OBs waiting in the wings in case they were needed. Of course, I doubt there are many MWs who work with OBs and in hospitals who are experienced with vaginal breech birth, either, since the doctors usually have the final decision making power.

I've never looked into all the details and issues with a breech baby because I've never had to deal with that so I don't really know what I would do.

I have found that I almost always end up on the fringes of discussions even here on MDC. It kind of bothers me. I feel isolated enough IRL because I think and do things so much differently than just about everyone I know or meet. MDC is supposed to be a place where I can fit in more but I don't. I'm a weirdo even here.
 

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MW, having a care provider that is experienced in breech birth is my biggest concern. That's why I'm more o.k. w/having a c-section if she stays breech because I would rather have an OB that is experienced in surgery perform the c-section than risk injury or death to Ava by attempting a vaginal birth with a care provider that is unexperienced in vaginal breech birth. We only have 3 midwives in my town. Two that are homebirth midwives and the other is a hospital midwife that works in the practice with my OB. None of them will attend a vaginal breech birth.

FWIW, you never strike me as being so on the fringe as far as your parenting opinions go. You are definitely not mainstream and I can see how that would be an issue, especially where you live. One of the great things about our little group here is that we all have different opinions but it doesn't seem to cause any problems!

Ugh, I don't feel good today you guys. My stomach feels like it is trying to cleanse itself but I'm still constipated. Blech...I really don't want to go in to labor before I've had a chance to discuss my preferences for the c-section with my OB. That won't happen until my appt on Friday. So I'd like her to hold off for at least another couple of days.
 

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Wouldn't it be magical if every hospital had at least one provider who was properly trained and knew how to deliver breech babies? It's not fair that something that is just a variation on normal is shuffled into an automatic c-section so often.

I've been crocheting, though not nearly at the speed I've wanted to. But that said, I've made quite a few things already prior to the pregnancy, and have blankets coming out the wazoo. But I've still got lots of yarn I wanted to use up, so I've been making a few little sweaters and stuff, since it'll work out well with the December date.

We had our first OB appointment yesterday. Wowwwweee! Ok so first off, I'm so disappointed because the doctor is absolutely amazing. A total grandmother type feel, where I felt listneed to, and respected, and comforted. But she's retiring at the end of August and will be passing my care on to her replacement (who she says follows all her same practices, but of course you don't know...). But anyways, she said normally they would do bloodwork at the appointment to test a few things, I said I was terrified of needles, and she said ok. That was that. I asked about the GD test, and she said they normally do it in that practice along with your 28 week bloodwork, and that it is indeed done by blood draw, not a needle prick, which I said was good.

And then she had me hop up on the table to check out the belly... I lifted up my shirt, and right away she kind of paused and was like "oh... well... that's a little bit bigger a belly than we normally expect to see at 18.5 weeks..." Well let's get the doppler and see what we can find. So she dopplered me, and you could tell she still wasn't 100% that she was hearing a second heartbeat, so she was like "well... we don't normally ever ever do this, but I do have a portable ultrasound machine... is it ok if I grab that and we take a peek real quickly?" At this point DH I swear has turned white, and I was a little bit in disbelief (all our friends have been joking about twins). So we got an impromptu ultrasound... she did confirm there is just ONE in there, thankfully. I didn't realize just how badly I didn't want twins until we were trying to find a second baby on the screen and I was holding my breath. But anyways... my gosh. It's so weird to see it and know that is YOUR baby in there, not some picture on the internet. We've really wanted to limit ultrasounds, so we are planning for the 21 week one, and then a second 'fun' one that my sister won a gift certificate for, as a way to confirm the sex, at that's that. So this one was a bonus, and total surprise. It was very neat to see all the little ribs, and the baby's bent up knees and everything. So little!

Anyways... DH and I both thought we saw what could be boy parts, so I think he's totally on board now with finding out the sex on the 21st, which will be good. I can't wait now, especially since we've gotten a tease!

Back to work today after four long glorious days off with DH. And this week he starts hardcore on our yard, and organizing the garage (so he can empty out the basement to finish reno'ing it). I'm so exicted!
 

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So exciting JJ! I keep forgetting you are so far along now! I hope for your sake that the OB is right and her replacement will follow her guidelines.
 

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JJ ~ Whew! You had me scared there for a 2nd. I was going to ask if you got any gender ideas.

I didn't realize so many of you also knit and/or crocheted. That's very cool.

Annie ~ I totally get what you are saying and I think I'd probably feel the same way. I know that vaginal breech births can be done and I'd probably want to try one but in a hospital setting where I knew emergency surgery was available immediately. I don't know how possible or dangerous a footling breech vaginal birth is except from you and JJ have told us. My only issue with that would be scheduling the c-section before going into labor since it is possible for baby to turn even in labor. I'd want to give baby as much time as possible to turn but I don't know how far I'd risk it. KWIM? I'm sure you do since you are actually having to figure that out. That's where it frustrates me that there are so few HCPs who are experienced with that because then you don't have much choice. It especially frustrates me because the reason I have read for HCPs not being trained or experienced in vaginal breech births is the liability costs. They can't afford the malpractice insurance and/or possibly being sued if things go wrong so they don't bother even trying to learn about it.

And then everyone says, well, the important thing is that baby is okay. Yes, that's very important and everyone's ultimate goal. I can't imagine any mother saying she didn't mind that her baby was hurt or died because she got the birth experience she wanted. However, there are other things that are important, too. The experience of the mother does matter. A woman in labor who is traumatized by the experience is not ok, especially if she was forced or coerced into doing something she didn't want to do. Does that make sense?

Have you talked to your regular OB about any of this yet or only the MFM doc? Maybe your regular OB would have some other options.

I so appreciate that all us here have been able to stick together for so long. I tend to anger or upset other people when I post in other threads, which is not my intention at all. I think I get misunderstood a lot.
 

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MW: it is easy to misunderstand and be misunderstood online; sometimes what we mean and what is read are very different things. I love the group we have here, it just seems like a safe environment to discuss our different opinions, etc, and I think we have gotten to know each other well enough that we don't easily take offense.(not that there is anything to be offended by)

I am probably the most non-mainstream of my IRL friends. It is hard to find crunchy/non-mainstream people here. They exist! I found a great local FB group - but tend to fly under the radar. There are so many things I just don't talk about much with the IRL peeps - like vaccines, WBV's, circumscision, etc. Now, if I am asked, I gladly volunteer info, but I generally don't bring it up.

I started a sweater for a friend's little girl (who will be 5 in January!) that I never finished, that I think I will try to for this LO. I am full of unfinished projects!

I agree: re the rather have a doc experienced in surgery to c-section for breech, than an inexperienced doc attempt a vaginal breech birth. I don't know that I would attempt it at home. I hope you get the chance to talk to him more about that before D Day.

JJ: yay on a peek at the baby! glad DH is willing to find out the gender, it is great to be on the same page. Have you got name ideas yet? - that is a discussion I never get tired of, although we are pretty set on the name for this little girl.

DS slept in until 9 this morning, and went down for a nap at 11. tired guy! maybe it is a growth spurt too . . .
 

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Carrie ~ I've been meaning to say to you that when I was able to feel baby's head, it felt much larger and rounder than his butt. His butt is more narrow and pointy. I can't usually feel his head because he's tucked so far down in my pelvis. Recently, though, it seems his head has come up more. Weird since you'd think he'd be more likely to move down.
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I've apparently never even felt this baby's head! I had a mw appointment this morning (went great!) and she confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt this baby is head down. She said his head is deep and fits well in my pelvis, so I'm just not even going to give it another thought or worry. LOL! It is funny that yours floated back up a bit, haha. That's not the right way, baby!! And yeah, I can't feel his head. I notice how hard (thought gentle) my mw has to press when she's palpating for his head. I couldn't do that to myself, I can barely get my hands down there around this huge belly as it is.

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We had our first OB appointment yesterday. Wowwwweee! Ok so first off, I'm so disappointed because the doctor is absolutely amazing. A total grandmother type feel, where I felt listneed to, and respected, and comforted. But she's retiring at the end of August and will be passing my care on to her replacement (who she says follows all her same practices, but of course you don't know...). But anyways, she said normally they would do bloodwork at the appointment to test a few things, I said I was terrified of needles, and she said ok. That was that. I asked about the GD test, and she said they normally do it in that practice along with your 28 week bloodwork, and that it is indeed done by blood draw, not a needle prick, which I said was good.

And then she had me hop up on the table to check out the belly... I lifted up my shirt, and right away she kind of paused and was like "oh... well... that's a little bit bigger a belly than we normally expect to see at 18.5 weeks..." Well let's get the doppler and see what we can find. So she dopplered me, and you could tell she still wasn't 100% that she was hearing a second heartbeat, so she was like "well... we don't normally ever ever do this, but I do have a portable ultrasound machine... is it ok if I grab that and we take a peek real quickly?" At this point DH I swear has turned white, and I was a little bit in disbelief (all our friends have been joking about twins). So we got an impromptu ultrasound... she did confirm there is just ONE in there, thankfully. I didn't realize just how badly I didn't want twins until we were trying to find a second baby on the screen and I was holding my breath. But anyways... my gosh. It's so weird to see it and know that is YOUR baby in there, not some picture on the internet. We've really wanted to limit ultrasounds, so we are planning for the 21 week one, and then a second 'fun' one that my sister won a gift certificate for, as a way to confirm the sex, at that's that. So this one was a bonus, and total surprise. It was very neat to see all the little ribs, and the baby's bent up knees and everything. So little!

Anyways... DH and I both thought we saw what could be boy parts, so I think he's totally on board now with finding out the sex on the 21st, which will be good. I can't wait now, especially since we've gotten a tease!
Whew! You had me going there for a minute!! I thought you were going to drop a twins bomb on us!! Glad it's ONE baby -- and how cool you got a bonus u/s!! And cool that you both think you saw boy parts!! Yay for a possible boy!!

I'm glad they seem to be so respectful so far. I'm hoping the OB that takes over is as gentle and kind. You seem to be happy and that's what counts!

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AFM - 34 weeks today, and like I said just had an appt. It went really well! All vitals were good (mine and his) and I asked her if she could give me an estimate on his size and she felt my belly again. Said that if I have him in 3 weeks (OMG) he'd be around 8 lbs. Of course she followed up with the disclaimer that her estimate could be off, but she assured me it doesn't seem like he's too huge or anything (and she just helped a woman deliver an 11 lb 4 oz baby at home! So she knows huge!).

My UTI is gone! My urine dip was clear. She's sending a sample off for a culture anyhow, just to make sure. She said it was a weird bacteria, so better safe than sorry. I'm going to keep doing the cranactin and water though, it's not too hard to get most of a gallon in and I think it's really helping me feel better/hydrated anyway.

My next visit in 2 weeks is my "home visit" where she wants all the supplies here and in the place where they'll be during the birth. EXCITING! I'm mentally and physically so ready to get this show on the road!!

DH is going to be super busy throughout July. I think he has 3 or 4 business trips to take b/c he's planning on taking time off in August (and staying close to home/not traveling that month). DH doesn't want this baby to come early!! July is just too buys! I dont want DH to be out of the state when this baby decides to make his appearance either, but ... I'll still be happy if he comes around 38-39 weeks. At least then I think DH's trips will be done.
 

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Check this out, a footling breech home birth. Very cool. You can see the entire backside of the woman since she's on hands and knees so probably not something to look at in a public place. DS2 looked and said, "Uh, mom, I can see that. What is it?" I told him it's a baby being born feet first. He said, "Ok but I can see that woman's whole butt."
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http://www.birthingway.com/footling_breech.htm

Here's another of an unassisted footling breech birth. Amazing!

http://community.parentingweekly.com/pregnancy/forums/p/1976855/16148567.aspx#16148567

It makes me rethink my fear of having a breech home birth.

Carrie ~ The only time I really felt baby's head was with my MW. She felt it and then I tried right after her. I did have to press pretty hard and deep into my pelvis. I haven't had much success at home. I just rely on the much more narrow, pointy thing that sticks up at the top of my belly. That's got to be his butt. He was doing some funny movements last night, completely distorted my belly. It looked so funny and felt really weird, kind of hurt a bit. You better not have that baby in 3 weeks! That would be before me. No fair!
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I bite my tongue a lot at places like TKD class. One of the women there is studying to be a medical administrator. She wrote a paper on the issue of people not vaxing. She is very pro-vax. I do think I said something about reading that many of the outbreaks of these supposedly dangerous diseases seem to be among vaxed children. I also usually comment that I've read the diseases aren't really all that dangerous. I don't ever say that my kids aren't vaxed, though. It's not their business and I don't want to deal with the stares and questions. I already get enough of that wrt home birth. It's pretty funny that no matter how many times I mention my MW and say I'm not going to any hospital, no one seems to remember that. It's like they block it out or something.
 

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It's pretty funny that no matter how many times I mention my MW and say I'm not going to any hospital, no one seems to remember that. It's like they block it out or something.
Right? People forget! Like within a DAY. I must have had the homebirth convo with one of my coworkers at least twice. When I opened up my shower gifts at work, one was a blue gown for the baby and she said, "That gown is perfect for the hospital!"
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Haha, and I don't think he'll come in 3 weeks. Maybe 4.
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