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My husband was NOT pleased when he saw on the back of the bottle that this product was not FDA approved (it was our first time using the product). I mentioned that the ingredients were all natural, etc, but I can understand his concern (although I'm not happy with the way he said I was "experimenting" on our daughter).<br><br>
I've written Kissaluvs already, but does anyone else know why it is not FDA approved?
 

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I don't use kissaluvs diaper potion, but it most likely falls under the category of a "cosmetic", and is not subject to FDA premarket approval. I'm not sure what the actual text of the warning on the bottle is, but this page might be helpful to you:<br><br><a href="http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html" target="_blank">http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-218.html</a>
 

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because it wouldn't fall under the FDA jurisdiction. Most natural products don't.<br><br>
The ingredients are *very* straight forward though, so I'm sure you don't have anything to worry about. Not to mention that there are a lot of things that are FDA approved that I wouldn't use/consume/have in my house. I would trust all natural products from a small, very well known company before I would something from Pfizer that's FDA approved anyday!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not to mention that there are a lot of things that are FDA approved that I wouldn't use/consume/have in my house. I would trust all natural products from a small, very well known company before I would something from Pfizer that's FDA approved anyday!</div>
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Right on! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap">
 

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The way I look at the FDA is this:<br>
If it doesn't kill you overnight they approve it. If it slowly kills you over months or years they pass it and line their pockets. Look at MSG, Aspertame just to name two. FDA approval means nothing to me. I just hope the FDA doesn't take our right to practice alternative medicine on ourselves away like they want to. That would probably eliminate KL potion too.
 

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I agree with all the posts in terms of the validity of the FDA, but my husband was like "Why would you use this stuff on our daughter?" and I was so angry....I recited the ingredients to him (that was lost on him) and it wasn't like it contained arsenic or some hard-to-pronounce misleading substance (like the kind you find in stuff with preservatives, etc). I've heard that the stuff in commercial disposable wipes is pretty harsh on little booties, but my husband is not fully convinced. I can't say I blame his first reaction....he doesn't research any of this stuff and our DD has a little rash going on...he was thinking I was introducing some burning acid stuff onto her (no, I don't do stuff like that)
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> momma! i agree with pp that this is no big deal , i am sorry you had to deal with dh saying that to you , i am sure it made you feel upset .. hugs to you !
 

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It's not a food or a drug, so why would it need FDA approval? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I agree with all the posts in terms of the validity of the FDA, but my husband was like "Why would you use this stuff on our daughter?" and I was so angry....I recited the ingredients to him (that was lost on him) and it wasn't like it contained arsenic or some hard-to-pronounce misleading substance (like the kind you find in stuff with preservatives, etc). I've heard that the stuff in commercial disposable wipes is pretty harsh on little booties, but my husband is not fully convinced. I can't say I blame his first reaction....he doesn't research any of this stuff and our DD has a little rash going on...he was thinking I was introducing some burning acid stuff onto her (no, I don't do stuff like that)</div>
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Sorry your hubby was being difficult. I wonder if we could find a website etc. that would give him some information to make him feel more comfortable using a product like Kissaluv's potion. Perhaps he could hang out here searching old posts to see what we've used, what's worked, what's not etc?<br><br>
I guess I just find it interesting that he'd consider something safe if it's approved by the FDA, but is worried about an all natural solution with plant derived essential oils. We need to find something to change his mind! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Hi, I make natural soaps as a hobby, and another soaper I came across online has a web page that explains a bit about FDA labeling of natural personal care products.<br><br>
It's presented from the point of view of a soap maker but I think it may be beneficial to helping you understand a little about FDA labeling.<br><br><a href="http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ma97/danforth/soapnuts/fda.html" target="_blank">http://xroads.virginia.edu/%7Ema97/d...pnuts/fda.html</a>
 

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thanks all mamas out there...I think he is finally receptive to the idea of it after I gave him some explanations regarding the FDA....sometimes he has the foot-in-the-mouth issue. When he had calmed down, I told him the list of ingredients again.....and I think it sunk in his head that these were all-natural ingredients, many of which we were familiar with.<br><br>
Ledzepplon...I guess FDA also deals with cosmetics as well, not just food or drug. This wouldn't have ever come up except you read on the back of the Kissaluvs bottle "Warning: this product is not FDA approved" so then you wonder, why? (At least my husband did)<br><br>
I've been using a little spray every now and then on the rash....rash is clearing up (all though I am not sure if it because we are changing those diapers super often)
 

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Ah, I'm also a soaper and lotion maker. I just got in a sample of this in today and saw the waning myself- "The safety of the product has not been determined by FDA approved laboratory testing".<br><br>
What this means is that the product has not undergone challenge testing to determine if the preservative system is effective. Basically what they do is take the product, test for bacteria/fungi, 'challenge it' (contaminate it a little as if you would at home with introducing dirty fingers, etc and incubating it) and test again to see what growth occurs and exactly what type of organism (some are nastier than others). This type of warning is commonly used by handmade lotioncrafter (or *should* be used if the product isn't challenge tested), but usually written as "The safety of this product has not been established" without the FDA part. Challenge testing is very expensive, though some sort of testing should be done. A cheaper way to make sure your preservative system is effective (though not sanctioned by the FDA) is an APC, or aerobic plate count. You send in a sample of a freshly made product, then the product after it is used normally for a few weeks. If both plate counts come back 'low' the product is usually fine. This doesn't say what exact bacteria are growing, though.<br><br>
However, judging from the ingredients of the Diaper Lotion Potion (witch hazel, jojba oil infused with chamomile, lavender essential oil, tea tree essential oil), there are no effective preservatives in this spray. Things like TTO and GSE will *not* act as a preservative. If there is enough alcohol in the witch hazel (I believe it's 20% to be self-preserving but I would have to look it up), it would be fine. However, most witch hazel usually only has 14% alcohol by itself. But since this is a spray and not meant for contaminants to get in there (you don't put your fingers in it) and it was most likely (hopefully) sterile when it went in, there should be minimal issues with bacterial or fungal growth. And they may have done APC testing, but the warning would have to still be on the bottle.<br><br>
Though personally if I were to formulate a product like this I would add a preservative, I use paraben and formaldehyde donor-free preservative systems as I as much more wary of unseen beasties growing in things than these safer chemicals.<br><br>
ETA: Just wanted to reiterate that the warning has nothing to do with FDA approval of the ingredients, just the potential for bacterial/fungal growth.
 
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