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The doula thread has me thinking...

Do you think we could start a letter writing campaign or petition or something to every major private medical insurance company asking them to stop funding circ? And have good info, like statistics on how much money it would save them (hey, if the almighty dollar gets them to stop, I'm fine with that). It seems like there is power in numbers, and if we can get everyone who is wanting to stop circ (here and on other boards) to send a few letters each, a lot of these companies will get a ton of mail on the topic.

I bet a lot less people would do it if they had to pay for it, so what do you think? Think we could do it?

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I totally plan on writing to my insurance company. I just need to dig up some statistics first, as "Quit paying for it, it's child abuse and disgusting!" probably won't tug at their heartstrings as much as how much $$$ they could save will.
: I hate my insurance, they won't pay for breast pumps for the mothers of premature babies but they'll pay to lop off part of their penis!
 

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There have been companies that stopped paying for it and then started again after the massive public outcry. It might save them noey NOT to pay for circumcisions, but the PR won't be very good for the most part.
 

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Forgive a dumb question but...

How much do doctors generally charge to perform a circ.?

How much do the insurance companies end up paying for a circ.? (This is a separate question as I know my insurance company has a "deal" with the in-network doctors whereby they pay a discounted amount and not the full thing.)
 

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I've seen it as low as $130, and as high as $500. It varies widely.
 

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Can someone post the flyer that was produced for the stop medicare coverage campaign... I forget which state that was...

Lots of the stats are already compiled.

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Originally Posted by jessjgh1
Can someone post the flyer that was produced for the stop medicare coverage campaign... I forget which state that was...

Lots of the stats are already compiled.

Jessica
Here is what I was sent from NOCIRC:

Are you aware that taxpayers, though Medicaid, pay for 28% of medically
unnecessary, newborn circumcisions? Currently millions of Americans go
without any health insurance coverage at all, and millions more go
without
adequate coverage, while millions in taxpayer money is used to fund
unnecessary circumcisions. Recently, grassroots efforts in several
states
have eliminated Medicaid funding for medically unnecessary
circumcisions,
freeing up millions of dollars for truly medically beneficial services
to
the poor. California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, North Dakota,
Mississippi,
Montana, Missouri, Arizona, Florida, Utah, Maine, and North Carolina
have
all eliminated Medicaid coverage for elective circumcisions.
Legislation is
pending in several other states. Contrary to some legislators'
misperceptions, eliminating circumcision funding is not "taking choice
away
from the poor," or "creating a two-tiered system." Medicaid parents
are
often coerced into signing consent forms by doctors or hospital staff
(that
have financial incentive to perform circumcisions), and Medicaid
parents are
rarely are given much information to make an informed consent. Medicaid
mothers know that Medicaid only covers medically necessary procedures -
what
message does circumcision coverage give to Medicaid moms? If you would
like
to assist in grassroots efforts to make sure that scarce Medicaid money
is
going toward medical needs instead of unnecessary circucmisions, here
are a
few suggestions for how to help:

1. Contact your state's legislators and Medicaid director - state
government
websites can be accessed at: http://www.statelocalgov.net and Medicaid
directors can be found at: http://www.nasmd.org/members.htm.

2. Write a brief letter to the legislators (contact as many as
possible, not
just those representing your district - you never know who is going to
be
most helpful - make sure the letter is personalized "Dear Senator
Smith"
etc....

3. If stamps are too expensive, please consider driving to the
legislative
building and hand delivering the letter to your state's legislators -
this
will really make an impression (and offer you a wonderful opportunity
for
participating in democracy in action).

Here are the important points to emphasize:

- Circumcision is not recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics
or
any other medical organization in the world.

- Circumcision is on the decline in America.

- Several states have already defunding this medically discouraged
cultural
practice - California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, North Dakota,
Mississippi, Montana, Missouri, Arizona, Florida, Utah, Maine,
Minnesota,
Louisiana, Idaho, and North Carolina.

- Considering the severe budget and Medicaid crisis in your state, you
think paying for a cultural surgery should be the absolute last
priority,
and the state needs to concentrate on meeting the basic medical needs
of its
poor first.

Many private insurance plans have also discontinued paying for
medically
unnecessary circumcisions - please contact your insurance company to
find
out if they waste your premiums on this procedure - and if so request
they
terminate coverage.

For more information on eliminating Medicaid funding of medically
unnecessary circumcisions, visit www.icgi.org.

SAMPLE LETTER FOR MEDICADE

Dear ,

I am astounded to read in the newspaper almost everyday about a
Medicaid cut
that hurts our state's poor, while Medicaid reinstated funding for
unnecessary circumcisions, wasting millions per year. I simply cannot
understand our state's priorities. Many other states, including Maine,
Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and North Carolina, have already
recognized
that elective circumcisions should not take priority over genuine
medical
needs. They have stopped funding for elective circumcisions, New Jersey
should too.

Our state's poor children are going without adequate and necessary
dental
services. The list of their other needs goes on and on. Yet, the
state
made funding for optional circumcisions a higher priority. Funding a
cultural surgery on baby boys should be lesser priority than helping
disabled elderly and poor children with genuine medical needs.
Medicaid has
wasted millions on medically unnecessary circumcisions. With health
care
costs on the rise, this money could be better spent on dental care or
other
medical needs of poor children.

Medicaid parents are well aware that Medicaid doesn't cover "frills"
and
"options." Medicaid parents know only necessary things are covered.
Covering circumcision wrongfully sends the message to Medicaid parents
that
circumcision is necessary or required. By not covering circumcision,
Medicaid parents would have to be told that circumcision is an optional
procedure. Then these parents can make a truly informed "choice." If
a
circumcision is important to the family, then they will need to
prioritize
it in their family's limited budget, just as they have to prioritize
other
important choices.

Circumcision is not recommended or endorsed by any medical organization
in
the world. The AAP in 1999, the AMA in 2000, and ACOG in 2001 all
conducted
thorough reviews of studies and literature on routine circumcision.
They
all concluded that any potential benefit did not outweigh the inherent
risks
and disadvantages of the surgical procedure itself, including pain,
hemorrhage, infection, meatal stenosis, penile amputation, and in rare
cases, even death.

Tax dollars should not be wasted on medically unnecessary
circumcisions.
Numerous other state Medicaid programs have stopped funding medically
unnecessary circumcisions, including Florida, North Carolina,
Louisiana,
Mississippi, Missouri, Maine, Arizona, North Dakota, Montana,
Washington,
Utah, California, Oregon, Idaho, Minnesota, and Nevada. Most states are
experiencing budget deficits and rapidly increasing Medicaid costs, and
are
looking at trimming all unnecessary expenditures from the Medicaid
budget.
As the budget deficits grow, so will taxpayer pressure to end elective
circumcision funding.

I am asking you to end this senseless waste of our scarce Medicaid
dollars,
and remove unnecessary circumcision funding from our state's budget.

Sincerely,
 

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IF you read this thread, I'm military and planning on writing to Tricare to ask them to cut funding for RIC. This surgery is also performed in base hospitals, further straining the military's inadequate funding. According to a nurse I spoke with, circ of older infants in my base's hospital is quite common as well. Not surprising, since one of the pediatricians tried to convince me he needed a circ for a YEAST INFECTION. They didn't even realize it was a yeast infection, refused to culture it, and tried to get me to give him oral antibiotics, which almost certainly would've made the swelling in his foreskin worse to the point where his urine flow would've been impeded and he probably would've "needed" a circ allow him to urinate. Two days of antibacterial cream and the problem was gone. If I hadn't known better, I would've allowed the circ and we would've had a surgical wound AND a yeast infection to deal with!

THIS is what our tax money is paying for!

ETA: RIC is listed on THREE different pages on the Tricare website as being covered. They want to make sure you know they pay for it!
 

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Originally Posted by minkajane
IF you read this thread, I'm military and planning on writing to Tricare to ask them to cut funding for RIC. This surgery is also performed in base hospitals, further straining the military's inadequate funding. According to a nurse I spoke with, circ of older infants in my base's hospital is quite common as well. Not surprising, since one of the pediatricians tried to convince me he needed a circ for a YEAST INFECTION. They didn't even realize it was a yeast infection, refused to culture it, and tried to get me to give him oral antibiotics, which almost certainly would've made the swelling in his foreskin worse to the point where his urine flow would've been impeded and he probably would've "needed" a circ allow him to urinate. Two days of antibacterial cream and the problem was gone. If I hadn't known better, I would've allowed the circ and we would've had a surgical wound AND a yeast infection to deal with!

THIS is what our tax money is paying for!

ETA: RIC is listed on THREE different pages on the Tricare website as being covered. They want to make sure you know they pay for it!
Somehow I missed that thread. I just now posted in it because a thread I started long ago was referenced in it. I swear i get PO'd just thinking about it.
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I'll write Tricare, too. God knows, tricare is as cheap as they come, seems like they'd save money where they could.
 

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Originally Posted by minkajane
I've seen it as low as $130, and as high as $500. It varies widely.
Thank you for answering. I was just really curious as to how much was made off of what is generally (and for the most part) a medically unnecesary procedure.
 
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