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So we have all heard about herd immunity and is the reason why vaccines are required for school, hospital care centers, and such, right? But, what we haven't been seeing is certain vaccines actually providing such a thing. There are a few vaccines that come to mind, that haven't been quite holding up their end of the bargain when it comes to herd immunity.

Varicella vaccine (breakthrough or not, outbreaks are still occurring, and the age range of the disease has shifted). Where is the herd immunity there?

Although increased vaccination of children has lowered the overall burden of disease, a higher proportion of reported cases now occur among older children, adolescents, and adults who may have escaped varicella disease or vaccination. As vaccination rates have increased, the majority of varicella cases now occur among vaccinated persons
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt17-varicella.html

Whooping cough (high vaccine coverage yet many outbreaks continuing to occur -- doesn't prevent transmission). Where is the herd immunity there?

Among adolescents, within the first year following immunization the vaccine effectiveness was 73 percent," said study author Dr. Anna Acosta, an epidemiologist in the CDC's division of bacterial diseases. "But by two to four years out, it had fallen to about 34 percent effectiveness."
Even with high childhood and preteen vaccine coverage, the United States experienced about 48,000 cases of whooping cough in 2012 -- the most since 1955, according to the CDC.
http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Health-News/whooping-cough-vaccine-pertussis/2015/05/05/id/642612/

Influenza (this one needs no introduction): These people may as well had not even gotten the flu shot because it didn't do them any good. Where is the herd immunity there?

The number of Canadians who died from the flu virus this past winter spiked at 547 — that's 200 more deaths than last flu season. Health officials say this season's influenza vaccine didn't protect against the strain of the virus that infected many Canadians. "Obviously, that's not the only factor at play, but with no protection from the vaccine, the death toll will always be higher," said Dr. Gaston Deserres, an infectious disease specialist in Quebec City. In January, a study based on data from British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec found the vaccine offered most people virtually no protection against H3N2 the strain that caused the lion's share of illness this past winter.
"If the vaccine had been protective, we would have seen a smaller number of deaths," Deserres said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...responsible-for-spike-in-flu-deaths-1.3067530

So I ask, where is this herd immunity that is significantly protecting people in these cases, or even protecting them at all? Is it reasonable to require these vaccines when they are not even doing what they are designed to do, and that is to inoculate to protect everyone around them?

ETA: You may as well add mumps in there too. I forgot that one.
 

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Yes...truly then, what IS THE AGENDA of mandatory vaccination policy, (which, I might add, given the outright anger and hate spewed toward non-vaxers, I think more secretly support this) if the herd isn't benefiting?
 

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What a mess they have created, suppressing normal childhood illness, shifting the age range, due to waning immunity from vaccines, to older children and adults who are at risk for greater complications, which in turn then requires more boosters and more adult vaccines, continuously, with no end in site. It's a vicious cycle of never-ending vaccination. And all of this applies only if the vaccine was effective at preventing the illness to begin with.
 
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