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Dh is 14 months now, and starting to eat a lot mor non-momma food.<br><br>
I refused to talk about night-wean of any till he was eating more. as long i i was his only food source (I am still the biggest) I wasn't going to effect his nurseing which he has -- at differnt times -- done most at night. Now he is eating more, and doesn't seem as hungery at night.<br><br>
he has never been a real confort nurser -- due to reflux he has a binki and will on his own drop the boob and put the binki in then cuddle --<br><br>
his night nurseing has cut down -- on his own -- he is not nurseing "meals" any more, just "drinks" most of the time, and doesn't even nurse evey time he wakes up.<br><br>
(he still has a second meal an hour or two after going down, except for THAT nurseing time, untill morning, most nurseing sessions are not even a minute long).<br><br>
i am starting to think is he ready for a limited night wean, or at least ready to be able to handle it --
<ul><li>less nureing at night on his own,</li>
<li>and when he does nurse at night it is not usally a meal,</li>
<li>and he is eating more day time,</li>
<li>and when he wakes up he doesn't alway nurse,</li>
<li>even when i try to nurse him he will refuse it at least once a night or more....</li>
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However he still never sleeps more than 4 hours, and 3 is more normal, and every hour is not yet uncommon.<br><br>
We are TTC and on month 6 -- I am Oing but still we are not getting things done.<br><br>
In the intrest of some more SLEEP for Momma -- not waking every 2 hours, and maybe in the intrest of conception; and i hope in the tintrest of him sleeping a bit better before the baby (we will still nurse and co-sleep)...,...i have been thinking about a mod night wean.<br><br>
I do not expect him to go a loooong time. buit i am thinking he can go 6 hours, as he goes 6 hours day-time if we are out and about and busy (refuseing even when i offer).<br><br>
So I am wondering -- considereing -- not nurseing from mid-night till DH's alarm goes off -- be it 5:30 or after -- si i know that will if not wake at least disturbe ds and seems like a good time to go on and let him nurse -- why fight him till say 6 when DH is up and about and it seems like morning to DS -- 6 am is too abstract IMO. on weekends I'd start nureing him agai at 5:30 ot 6 or when he woke up.<br><br>
That would not be the 7 hours Dr Jay suggests are realistic, nor even the 6 hours that is supposed to be ideal for fertility. However it seems a do-able plan. Maybe after a while i could move it back to 11 pm -- if DS seems to be able to do that as time goes on.<br><br>
Soooooooooooooooooooooo<br><br>
has anyone done this?<br><br>
Has it <b>really</b> gotten you more sleep -- or are you still up every 2 hours just now you are trying to get dc to sleep without boob?<br><br>
how long -- really -- does it take for dc to get over the "mad baby" and to be ok with it?<br><br><br>
Does this seem reansoable? (the time frame at his age)<br><br>
any other thonghts?<br><br>
I plan to start Monday -- if i do this<br><br>
AImee
 

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Since he really does use the pacifier for comfort sucking I would be inclined to think he really NEEDS to nurse that much still. I wouldn't consider it until closer to 18 months.<br><br>
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Hi,<br>
I do not speak from experience since my ds is only 7 months old. But from reading your post I think that it is certainly worth a try. You can try nccs or Dr. Jay and if it seems to be too upsetting or stressful you can just wait a few more months. My ds still wakes around 9 times a night...arghhh but I would like to think by the time he is a year or more old he can go longer stretches without eating...we'll see.<br>
Good luck,<br>
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at 7 months we wok every hour, or every 45 minuts without fail........<br><br>
nak<br><br>
now -- 2 hours is the norm; waking, not alway nurseing<br><br>
3 hours is every other day or so, or maybe once a night<br><br>
4 hhours, even once a night, is still new and cool<br><br>
----------- so it does get better-----------<br><br>
but when he nurses -- it is not a lot -- maybe a swallow or two -- and a lot of the time when he wakes, even if i line up up with the boob, he doesn't nurse.<br><br>
If he would take a sippy -- he will dink only without the value where you can pour the drink in him, and you ahve to do it, he egarly swallows, but won't even hold the cup --- then i'd offer a sip of water -- i think he wakes thirsty, dry mouth, i know i do.<br><br>
so i don't really get whey he keeps waking, if he isn't going to nurse when he wakes -- KWIM -- all on his own.
 

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Sounds like the nightwaking may not be related to nursing at all. I would be hesitant to night wean and take that sleep tool out of rotation.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Since he really does use the pacifier for comfort sucking I would be inclined to think he really NEEDS to nurse that much still. I wouldn't consider it until closer to 18 months.<br><br>
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My 4-y-o uses a binky on car trips...I don't believe that means she wants to nurse in the car. Comfort sucking doesn't HAVE to be equivalent to nursing.<br><br><br><br>
That said, I would wait even beyond 18 months, only because you are much more likely to get a nightweaned DC who sleeps through the night. BUT - if you really want to try, you can always go back to night nursing if it turns out that night weaning does not help your DC sleep through.<br><br>
When we night weaned DD1, we explained that the milk was going to sleep while it was dark, and she could nurse when the sun came up. That was easy enough for her to understand. I just don't get the idea of stopping nursing at, say, 11 pm, as if a toddler can tell time. LOL.
 

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I second the 'wait until 18 months' suggestion. Nursing is about so much more than hunger. There are still developmental breakthroughs at 14 months, their molars are starting to come in (and they're HORRIBLY painful for some babies), they can't really communicate what they need yet, etc. By 18 months, the pain of the molars will be over, and he will be able to tell you or sign what he needs in the night. It does get so much better, and you're almost there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My 4-y-o uses a binky on car trips...I don't believe that means she wants to nurse in the car. Comfort sucking doesn't HAVE to be equivalent to nursing.</div>
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That's what I was saying. Since he's using the pacifer for comfort sucking, when he needs to nurse it's NOT comfort sucking.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I second the 'wait until 18 months' suggestion. Nursing is about so much more than hunger. There are still developmental breakthroughs at 14 months, their molars are starting to come in (and they're HORRIBLY painful for some babies), they can't really communicate what they need yet, etc. By 18 months, the pain of the molars will be over, and he will be able to tell you or sign what he needs in the night. It does get so much better, and you're almost there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"></div>
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My baby is 14 months as well and this is what we are waiting for. I think that developmentally this is a poor time to nightwean. At this stage my ds still really needs the comfort of night nursing. Even my mainstream friends' CIO babies started nightwaking again between ages 1 and 1 1/2 and I think that it's such a tumultuous time with talking, walking and teething that they need that middle-of-the-night comfort and connection.<br><br>
At 18 months I am hoping to re-evaluate and test the waters with nightweaning--similar to the plan you were hoping to implement now. He shows all the same signs right now that your baby is showing too but I think it is just too early.
 

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I've heard from LLL meetings that some people have had success with a nursing light since a babe that age can't tell time. So the story would be, we can nurse in bed when the nursing light is on (using a timer to set it on/off). You could begin with a shorter block of time... say 3 or 4 hours between 12-4 and if it works... expand to 12-5 then 11-5. It's another tool or idea to try if you decide to do it.<br><br>
I also don't think that a few night of a gentle-loving attempts mean you can't go back to night nursing, if you need to. But there are times in our house when I can't get to ds when he wakes (we all go to the bathroom or shower sometimes) and my partner is able to settle him back down without a nursing session. And that break can mean the difference between 2.5-5 hours between nursing sessions at night. Last night, I was able to shush and pat him back to sleep when he woke 3.5 hours after first falling asleep, as I got into bed, so he went 5 hours.<br><br>
I should fully disclose though that I'm still nursing my 17 month-old on demand at night (frequently every 1.5-2 hours with an occasional 4 hour stretch). Mostly because I'm too tired most nights to try other methods of soothing him that wake me up more. I've been really frustrated some nights though when it actually doesn't work and I'm stumped to figure out other ways to help him sleep.<br><br>
I do think that the night waking has a negative impact on our families health. I wonder a lot of the time if my son could resettle himself more often or if our noises stirring didn't wake him as much, if we'd all be better off. So I wonder about a twin next to our queen for more space and consider nightweaning between 11-5 all the time.<br><br>
I also believe that most babes will switch their milk-intake times to daytime, if they have easy access to you during the day -- since part of your concern is about caloric intake.<br><br>
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the light is a great idea<br><br>
I know he can't jsut "not nurse in the dark" -- we start bedtime at 7p -- he is asleep by 7:45, so he nurses for he last time at 7:30 or so. He generally wakes up for another full meal at 8:30 or 9:30..like 12 to 16 minuts of nurseing. then we don't get up till around 6:30......so that would be like 11 hours, or at least 10.<br><br>
I agree it is a tough thing -- and no nurseing at night would be easier, maybe for him to understand......but i am hopeing....if i do this,.... that there won't be a lot of explaining -- just when he wakes between midnight and the alarm i sooth him to sleep some other way -- and then poof in a few days or a week he stops waking up druring that time period. isn;t that basically what Dr Jay adn NCSS say happen -- they jsut stop waking up and start sleeping longer?<br><br>
still not sure<br><br>
Maybe I will wait till this summer ---<br><br>
I am not asking for all night -- just 5 or 6 hours in a block. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
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