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At a recent visit, my midwife (who delivered my son) said, "Have you thought about maybe rupturing your membrane on the due date this time, since your son was so huge, [he was 10 days late, 9lb 1 oz] and you don't want to go through that again?"
I felt so alienated by this---it was a long labor, 23 hours unmedicated, but she was so great, never ONCE suggested drugs or any interventions... Now she's saying my son was too big and we need to intervene this time? I said I'm totally not into that, and now she's talking about limiting my carbs at the end, so my baby doesn't get too big. My son was NOT a fat baby, had/ has a big head, and now at 3 is 42 lbs, 42 in, so clearly a BIG person. (I'm 5'10, DH is 6'2).
Is it normal to suggest this kind of diet restriction? They are CNMs working closely with an OB practice, so pretty mainstream.
At first I wanted to get out of that practice immediately, but now I'm just mulling it over. Any experiences with this?
TIA
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If I were you I'd look around for another choice. I changed midwives at about 28 weeks because my CNM was going more and more medical. She started talking about limiting carbs at the beginning (I'm not overweight at all and was not gaining that fast.) She is TERRIFIED of having a big baby get stuck. Just not the karma I needed at the birth. We're very happy with our new midwife.

Good luck- not an easy choice to make.

-Angela
See, I don't understand this suggustion to limit carbs to keep baby smaller. I have had a low weight gain and have been put on a high protein diet to help baby be nice and big, not high carb.

And anyway, if you are not concerned with the baby's weight, then why should she be? She doesn't have to carry the baby or push it out.
I agree with Lena's points and want to make one more: that your midwife seems to be assuming the length of labor and your baby's weight had something to do with each other. I think that's an odd assumption to make, especially considering that you're not a small person yourself, and that there are SO many factors that go into length of labor. And what she's asking you to do, basically, is put your baby on a diet before he's even born.

As to whether you should look at other practices... well, why not? You might find someone you like better!
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I'm 5'11", and when I was pregnant with dd I worked in a candy shop, and she came out at 6 lbs 10 ounces... she's now exactly what you said your son is, 42"/42lbs with a large head, big frame. I was really careful not to indulge too much, but obviously if you work in a candy shop and you're pregnant sometimes you're going to give in
Anyway, the carbs didn't make for a large baby.

I want to point out as someone who has done the Atkins diet
: that when you cut carbs drastically your body goes into ketosis, which is a toxic state that taxes your kidneys and can't possibly be good for your baby.

Worst thing of all is that she told you there was something wrong with your last delivery when obviously there wasn't
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I had a MW tell me this as well. My first baby was 10#. However, I am 6', and my DH is 6'5" -- no one expected a small baby. My labor was less than six hours, with no complications. She had no reason to tell me this, just that I had a big first baby. (I didn't have gestational diabetes, either.)

Humans are not constructed of carbs. Humans are constructed mostly of protein. The vast majority of your organs, tissues, etc., require PROTEIN, not carbs. So wouldn't it stand to reason that if you ate 100g of protein a day, you'd have a bigger baby? I'm sure it has something to do with her concern about gestational diabetes, but I still don't get the logic.

And breaking your water on your due date is just asking for trouble, IMO. As soon as the water was broken, you'd have the clock start. If you didn't immediately have contractions, you'd get hooked up to pitocin, which would start another chain of events.
I would start looking for a different health care provider. My very mainstream ob thought that my previous ds being 8 lbs 14oz at 41weeks was a very normal sized baby. That would be only 3oz smaller than you child. Also 23 hours of labor for your first child is not abnormal. It sounds to me like you would be setting yourself up for a lot of interventions if you stayed with your midwife.
What silly comments for her to make! So many mamas agree to inductions, etc now, that people often forget what an "average" size baby looks like. Ds was 10lbs, and the nursing staff told me that they were glad to see a normal looking newborn, after mainly just seeing tiny ones who were induced too early because the ultrasounds said they were getting too big. That said, it sounds as if your mw was really great during your first labor, so I would keep that in mind too.
I overheard my OB talking to a patient today while I was there. The mama was paniced by the fact that the U/S tech told her the baby was huge--like 8lbs already at only 37 weeks.
My ob laughed a bit and said that first off, she's delivered many a baby much smaller than the U/S said it would be also that mom is almost 6' and dad is 6'5"--this woman was obviosly a horse person and my OB asked her, if you breed a clydesdale to a clydesdale--would you expect to have a miniature pony born???
I'm also with whoever mentioned the ketosis--ketosis was considered a very dangerous medical condition before Atkins decided it was good for weight loss.
There's no way I'd choose a smaller baby over a bigger one (and I've had 2 9+ pound babies, and I'm only 5'2") - they're much easier to take care of, IMO.
Also, limiting nourishing foods toward the end of pregnancy can contribute to postmaturity OR prematurity.....or toxemia.
Maybe you could just tell your midwife that you will NOT be limiting carbs OR rupturing membranes, and that's the end of that discussion.

It may be possible that SHE thought YOU had concerns/problems with either your babe's size or the length of your labor and just thought she was being helpful.

I'm wondering what her other expectant mamas are like....it may be that others are freaking out about a "big" baby or a "long" labor, and she just got in the mode?

I think you'll have to make the call on whether that's the case or not....it does sound like she was supportive during your first birth, so I wonder what's got her changing her story now? Maybe you can just say "not interested" and that can be the end of it....If she pushes, though, *I* would be quite uncomfortable (but that's just me and MY baggage IRT labor/baby size).

Good luck.

Kinsey
I don't know if your baby is "too big" or anything like that but otherwise the midwife's suggestion makes a lot of sense. I am guessing she thinks you have gestational diabetes or that you are borderline for it. Women with GD often deliver larger babies, large enough to cause problems in many cases. Limiting carbs is the best way to control GD, so my guess is that's what she was getting at.

I have been a lowcarber for 6 years now and certainly will not go back to high carb eating now that I'm pregnant. I'm only 4 weeks so I have no idea what foods I will and will not be able to keep down or what my body will need. I may go up some in carbs but I'll keep them low to moderate.

Why? Because I'm at great risk for GD (and probably would have regular Type II diabetes now if it weren't for my diet). I'm hypoglycemic as well--totally controlled by diet yea!

I would try to talk to the midwife more. See why she made those suggestions (I don't think breaking your water to induce labor is a great idea) and if that makes more sense. If it still seems off to you, find someone else. Doesn't matter if she's right or wrong, you have to be very comfortable with the person delievering your baby.

HTH,
Cyndi
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Originally Posted by CyndiN
I don't know if your baby is "too big" or anything like that but otherwise the midwife's suggestion makes a lot of sense. I am guessing she thinks you have gestational diabetes or that you are borderline for it. Women with GD often deliver larger babies, large enough to cause problems in many cases. Limiting carbs is the best way to control GD, so my guess is that's what she was getting at.

Why? Because I'm at great risk for GD (and probably would have regular Type II diabetes now if it weren't for my diet). I'm hypoglycemic as well--totally controlled by diet yea!
Actually, there is no other treatment for hypoglycemia other than diet.


And low carb is not a healthy diet for a growing baby. I can understand limiting "bad carbs" -- anything white -- but otherwise, your body needs carbs.
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I'm also with whoever mentioned the ketosis--ketosis was considered a very dangerous medical condition before Atkins decided it was good for weight loss.
I wanted to respond to this because it isn't the case. Ketosis is not dangerous, nor is it thought to be so. Ketosis is a sign that your body is burning fat for energy instead of carbs. Bodies preferentially burn carbs if they're available.

If you're eating average amounts of carbs but you're in ketosis that is a sign that something is terribly wrong. Generally it means you're a diabetic in crisis.

But if you're eating a healthy diet that happens to be lowcarb, and you're in ketosis, that's fine.

If you're in ketosis because you're getting too little food of any variety, that's also not a good thing.

Ketosis is a fairly neutral state of being and does not "tax your kidneys."

Now, there is some controversy about ketosis during pregnancy. There's no evidence that it's a problem but none that it's safe either. So most lowcarb advocates suggest that you stay out of ketosis while pregnant, just in case. You don't want to lose weight while pregnant anyway so lowcarbing would be for blood sugar problems mainly.

Cyndi
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I am guessing she thinks you have gestational diabetes or that you are borderline for it.
If my medical professional "thought" I was in danger of developing a condition and didn't tell me explicitly, I'd be pretty pissed off. I'm a partner in my care, not a recepient. That's sorta off-topic, but I had to say it.

Nothing about a 9# baby who grows to be a sturdy toddler is suggestive of diabetese anyway.

PS Congratulations on your pregnancy!
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Originally Posted by CyndiN
I wanted to respond to this because it isn't the case. Ketosis is not dangerous, nor is it thought to be so. Ketosis is a sign that your body is burning fat for energy instead of carbs. Bodies preferentially burn carbs if they're available.

If you're eating average amounts of carbs but you're in ketosis that is a sign that something is terribly wrong. Generally it means you're a diabetic in crisis.

But if you're eating a healthy diet that happens to be lowcarb, and you're in ketosis, that's fine.

If you're in ketosis because you're getting too little food of any variety, that's also not a good thing.

Ketosis is a fairly neutral state of being and does not "tax your kidneys."

Now, there is some controversy about ketosis during pregnancy. There's no evidence that it's a problem but none that it's safe either. So most lowcarb advocates suggest that you stay out of ketosis while pregnant, just in case. You don't want to lose weight while pregnant anyway so lowcarbing would be for blood sugar problems mainly.

Cyndi
This is actually false. Ketosis is a toxic state that causes various toxins to build in your system and as someone else stated puts a huge stress on your kidneys.
I actually have a sub-degree in renal pathophysiology and wrote my thesis on the medical condition of ketosis so believe me I've researched this to death and examined endless blood reports, biopsies, case studies and post mortems.
Atkins has done a wonderful job of marketing Ketosis as a safe state to be in, but if you read the fine print you will find they don't recomend staying in it long because of the toxic effect on your kidneys.
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Thanks to everyone for your input!!! It was really reassuring and helpful. I think I do need to talk to her more--3 years have gone by and maybe now she's just seeing the chart/ weight of baby/ length of labor, without remembering that I was really into a high protein (but not low carb) diet, everything natural, etc. She actually did add in a GD test on my early tests, so clearly that's where she was coming from (and said as much), which I thought was totally bogus, but it wasn't a secret. I DID gain 50 lbs last time, but I still think they were a GOOD 50 lbs. So I think I'll just try reminding her where I'm coming from (it's a big practice), and making sure we're on the same page. But the more I think of it, the less I want to limit carbs--though cutting back on white sugar and flour couldn't hurt, given my current diet habits!!
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Thanks again for all the support!
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a few hour after this baby was born, my mw said, you know why you had such a big baby? since i've been here i've seen you eat nothing but bread!

he was nine and a half pounds. she is also not a fan of a high simple carb diet but prefers protein and lots of whole foods. since she is the first health care provider i have ever had who didn't give me a hard time about being a vegetarian, i chose to disagree quietly with her on that one. well, i do agree with a lot of it and did try to watch things like white bread and sugar and too much fruit or chocolate soymilk. but i had a "better" diet with my daughter, i think, and she was only 7, 13. i did get more exercise then.

i've seen ladies (in my doula work) eat too much sugar in terms of lots of bananas, "protein" shakes, tons of soymilk, not exercise, and grow huge babies and need csections, but simple answer of limiting carbohydrates doesn't seem to make sense to me. my midwife asked for occasional diet sheets esp around the GTT test (which with her was eat pancakes for breakfast), but she also respects the individual, and said while my diet was a bit heavy on carbohydrates it is probably normal and optimal for me and my temperament.

i wouldn't necessarily look for another hcp if you like her otherwise. you'll have to make some kind of compromise or ignore something no matter who you use. if you think it's a harbinger of rigidity to come, then see how she responds in discussion or over some other issue.
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When I was pg. with my son, my mw suggested, and my NP agreed, that I should cut down on ALL carbs, especially 'white' carbs. This was b/c I was gaining alot of wt. quickly, and there was no other medical reason for it. Never did either one of them say my baby would be too big. I only ended up gaining 35lbs, all of which I lost before he was 6 m.o. Unless GD is an issue, isn't the size of your baby sort of, well, genetic?
I agree with Tofumama in that I think the size of your baby is usually genetic. I remember reading stories about babies born during World War II and how even though the mothers had limited food access (though not starving) they still had big healthy babies. My mom, who had her children back in the 1960's, had big babies even though she was put on a "pregnancy" diet by her doctors and only allowed to gain 18 pounds. (She was petite and thin already, so go figure...) Anyway, despite this, she birthed nine and ten pound babies. I think unless someone is literally starving or eating nothing but junk food their baby will grow to the size it's supposed to be. Obviously, GD is a whole other thing. JMHO.
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