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<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span>I was walking Zander (Borzoi) a little over a week ago on a 10 foot leash. He was sniffing around as usual when something in the bushes startled him and he darted away quickly. He pulled hard on the leash but this is something that happens often if he sees something that he thinks he needs to go after. Anyway, he immediately started screaming in pain and was holding his front right leg up. It was 6:00 am and he was screaming so loud that several people came out of their houses to see what was going on. A nice lady gave us a drive home (we were about a half mile from home). By the time I got him home, he was nuckling which terrified me but by the time we got him to the vet, he was weight-bearing but was still limping really bad. The vet checked him all over and he was not painful anywhere and she checked not only his foot/leg/shoulder but also his neck and spine. She put him on a week of an anti-inflamatory med and said we needed to rest him a minimum of 2 weeks with only short leash walks. It has been 9 days and he is not happy at all about not going for his runs but he is accepting the short walks.<br><br>
So....... this morning I was laying on the floor by the fire and he came over and flopped down on me. I started rubbing his legs and feet and noticed that his right front is cooler than the other feet/legs. And it feels cooler to the touch up to about his elbow. He is still limping but still does not seem painful anywhere I palpate. Anyone have any ideas about what might be going on? Doesn't that mean that there is poor circulation? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></span></span>
 

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ohh, Kim, I'm sorry. You must be so worried <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I don't know about the coolness, but if he were my dog, I'd figure he probably had a soft tissue injury. Did your vet take xrays?
 

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Take him back to be checked. Ask if this is a normal part of healing, or is it a new development. Xrays can be expensive but now might be a good time to take a look.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span>She did not do xrays last Friday because she said that if it was a soft tissue injury (which she suspects), nothing would show up on xray. She wanted to him to rest for two weeks first. My mom is visiting for a couple days and when she arrived today, she said that she thought he seemed less lame than when we were at her home last Sunday. I am keeping him as quiet as possibly but he is so freaking big, it is hard to confine him any more than we already are..... he outgrew his crate a very long time ago!! I will call tomorrow and ask about the coolness of his foot/leg.... that is what I'm most worried about. I am ok with resting him but I am worried that he could forever have issues and not being able to allow a Borzoi to run like a bad man would be just plain cruel!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></span></span>
 

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Did you check it again? Is it possible that he was just lying on it wrong? He should have a very strong pulse in the area behind/above his front foot--you can hold the "good" foot and the "bad" foot and feel whether the pulses are different.<br><br>
I'd be all over finding an acupuncturist, if you don't get good answers soon. I have used them on MAJOR soft tissue and back issues and it's amazing what kind of results you get.<br><br>
When Mitch (my Dane boy) was a baby, about 3 months old, one of the bitches played too rough and flipped him over on his back on top of a rock. He couldn't even stand up, much less walk, and had a HUGE lump over his mid-back. I honestly thought he was going to end up dead--I could tell he wasn't paralyzed but he was in so much pain that he wouldn't bear any weight. When he still wasn't walking the next day I made an emergency appointment and drove 3 hours to an acupuncurist/chiro/TCM practitioner down near DC (this is when we lived in WV).<br><br>
She immediately found several subluxations, adjusted those gently, and put about thirty needles in him based on finding pain points. It was astounding to watch--he was lying there feeling pretty funk, but he wasn't crying, but she'd gently move her fingers over his ear, or his tail, or his back leg, and when she hit the point he'd screech.<br><br>
When she put the last needle in, he let out this huge sigh and put his head down and closed his eyes.<br><br>
She had me carry him over to a recovery area, where he slept for about an hour. And as he slept I watched the huge lump over his spine literally shrink in front of my eyes.<br><br>
When the hour was up, he scrambled to his feet and started whining that he had to go pee. And from there he was FINE. For a week I rubbed an incredibly heinous-smelling remedy on his back twice a day to make sure his pain was low, but I had a hard time keeping him quiet enough to rub it in because he was trying to run and play with the other dogs that same day.<br><br>
I know that Shannon had amazing results with Havoc using acupuncture as well. So I would definitely consider it if you can't get a definitive diagnosis and help from your regular vet.
 

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<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span>There is another vet in ther area who is a friend of a friend who does chiropractic work on pets but I am unsure about the acupuncture..... I will give him a call today. We used to go there but his office manager is a bitch and I couldn't take her rudeness any longer. I am now wishing that I had never left. I do not want to be someone who jumps around but I do want Zander to be pain free and back to his silly self again. Thanks for the input.</span></span>
 

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<span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Zander's breeder as well as some other Borzoi breeder friends of hers are suggesting Zander have a chiropractic visit. Any have any experience with chiropractor's for pets? Thanks.</span></span>
 

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I've never used a chiro for my dogs, but Austin's breeder uses one religiously, and swears by it. She uses one before and after lure coursing, and even whenever someone wrestles too hard, or rolls off the bed, or anything, really <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I've used chiropractors for the horses, though. They do help. What do you want to know about them?
 

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<span style="color:#000000;"><span><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';">I first want to say that I want you to move closer to me so that you can advise me in horse and dog matters!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Seriously, I guess I am just wondering if it is similar as a chiropractor for people. I see one since a car accident a couple years ago and although there is a part of me that thinks it is a crock, there is another part of me that continues to go once every 3-4 wks for adjustments because it is helpful. Zander is just uncomfortable and I want him to feel better. I have no doubt that if I let him run loose, he would run like a wild man but how much pain would he be in afterwards. So, is it the same concept as adjustments that people have done?</span></span></span>
 

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My dog has had chiropractic adjustments his whole life and they do help. He used to have them before and after every trial and always after a taxing workout (bitework, etc.)<br><br>
Now he's older, has arthritis and had injury to his back. I really thought I might lose him. He was in pain and showing signs of nerve damage. Acupuncture has made a HUGE difference. Even the vet was surprised at how dramatic the results were. He's back to his old self and driving me nuts (in a good way) needing more to do.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><span style="color:#000000;"><span><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';">I first want to say that I want you to move closer to me so that you can advise me in horse and dog matters!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Seriously, I guess I am just wondering if it is similar as a chiropractor for people. I see one since a car accident a couple years ago and although there is a part of me that thinks it is a crock, there is another part of me that continues to go once every 3-4 wks for adjustments because it is helpful. Zander is just uncomfortable and I want him to feel better. I have no doubt that if I let him run loose, he would run like a wild man but how much pain would he be in afterwards. So, is it the same concept as adjustments that people have done?</span></span></span></div>
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Well, they're not similar in that you need to keep going, you know? We've always just used them when we thought they needed it. Now, a horse chiro is nothing like a human chiro, <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> they use quite a bit of force to adjust those big animals. Lin (Austin's breeder) told me that the dog chiro she uses is very gentle.<br><br>
An interesting story for you about Austin's sire...He and Lin were coming home from a show when she got into a horrible accident (t-bone then rolled over). Lin was in traction with a broken neck(!) for months. She was sick with worry about Coby, but she couldn't see him. Everybody assured her that he was not injured in the accident, he went to the vet and everything was fine. Once she came home from the hospital she had to lay flat on her back for a while, and Coby was at her side the whole time. Eventually, she was able to move around a bit, and she noticed that Coby was standing and walking funny. His back was arched over his loin, and he seemed to be in pain. It was subtle, the rest of her family never even realized. So she took him for xrays right away, and they found out that Coby had broken his back!! It was a small break, but he still needed surgery.<br><br>
Now see, Coby gets chiro adjustments regularly. He's the only one who gets them regularly, but he's 9 years old now, and you should see him vault Lin's 8 foot back fence. Seriously, he can jump it without touching to go after a bunny. He still courses and woos the ladies, too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I would try it, and maybe some acupuncture too. It couldn't hurt, you know?<br><br>
And hey, what part of Canada are you in? I'm moving a heck of a lot closer to Canada next week!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I would try it, and maybe some acupuncture too. It couldn't hurt, you know?<br><br>
And hey, what part of Canada are you in? I'm moving a heck of a lot closer to Canada next week!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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<br><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span style="color:#008080;">I made an appt for next week with the chiropractor. Not sure if he does acupuncture but I will check.<br><br>
We are actually in Maine but are originally from New Brunswick, hence the username! Where are you moving to?</span></span>
 

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Minnesota, from AZ <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<br><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';"><span>WOW, what a move...... if you do not mind me asking, why are you moving? Don't you have horses, will you be able to take them?</span></span>
 

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We're moving for work. The horses were a joint venture between my mother and I...she owns the property they live on, so she's going to keep them. I'm really sad about it...actually it's the only part of the move I'm hating. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get any horses in MN. Maybe someday. For now I'm just going to throw myself into activities with Austin.
 
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