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Can you actually buy any?<br><br>
And I thank the poster that started the baking soda thread.... I have been IDSO of it since we got here!! I will go out and try looking with new hope! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Here in Switzerland it's called Eau de Javel and is in the aisle with laundry and cleaning products.<br><br>
hope this helps!
 

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It is called eau de javel in France too.<br><br>
But umm, may I ask what you need it for? I avoid bleach like the plague, so I might have some suggestions for more natural alternatives if you are interested.
 

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well, I have been having a hard time with my stinky diapers since we got here - and my research has told me to mix a half cup of bleach into my wash of inserts to help. I have Vanish - the powder that you mix in with the detergent that I use with my white clothes. Would that be just as effective?<br><br>
I've only been here 2 weeks, and am still learning my way around the products in the stores.<br><br>
I have tried vinegar and TTO in the rinse/wash, and tried using Monoprix Vert as a detergent. Can you recommend something else? Pretty please? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:<br><br>
ETA: I usually avoid bleach, as well - but I am starting to get desperate!
 

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I think stinky diapers come from using hard water?<br><br>
see if these links help:<br><br><a href="http://www.borntolove.com/column8.html" target="_blank">http://www.borntolove.com/column8.html</a><br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/archive/index.php/t-48095.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...p/t-48095.html</a>
 

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Yes - the water here is pretty hard. I never had this problem when we lived in Portland, so I am beginning to grow frustrated. I have tried all of those suggestions about vinegar, TTO, and have read differing opinions on using baking soda in the wash with hard water. I also can't find any, but I am not giving up.<br><br>
I went to Atac today (I had only discovered Auchan and Monoprix before), and plan to go to a Carrefour tomorrow. I was able to find the bleach no problem, but didn't buy any. It feels good to actually know what some things are!! Its funny how finding a grocery store can lighten your mood! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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I totally understand about trying to buy groceries and not knowing what anything is!<br>
When we first moved to Germany I would just stand in the aisle staring at everything and wondering what it could be. It didn't help to ask anybody because I couldn't understand their response.<br>
And trying to figure out if things had ingredients I wanted to avoid took forever.<br>
S yes, life is much easier once you get familiar with the stores and the things you want to buy.<br>
IO hope you find a solution to your stinky diaper problem.<br>
Where in Paris are you staying by the way? I lived there for 1 1/2 years. I love it there.
 

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Thanks for sympathizing!! I can *kind of* piece together my questions, but the responses are so fast that it doesn't do any good! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
We are living in Montparnasse - right outside the cemetery. It is beautiful - I take DS there on a daily walk and we look at all the different gravestones and statues. Is that morbid? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
ETA: I picked up some Calgon, and am trying that. I hoping that will help!
 

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One thing that took me a long time to figure out was that the calgon detergent was in addition to whatever detergent you use. I liked Chat liquid pouches with calgon powder and added some vanish for my whites. Ariel is supposed to be the "tide" equivelent, but it didn't do it for me. I never did get stains removed like Tide w/bleach did, but you figure out what works.<br><br>
Be careful using bleach in those french machines. They heat up way more than American ones and will eat all of your underwear!!! Use about 1/5th of a cup at most and stick to 40 degrees.<br><br>
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Oooh... thanks for the tip! DH would hate it if I melted his underwear!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I have been using Calgon tabs in the washer since I last posted (as a cold wash before washing on hot), and I must say that my diapers do smell better! I have even used them with some of my regular loads, too.
 

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Bleach is l'eau de javel and it's generally on the bottom of the aisle with the cleaning supplies. There are plastic tubes that people use to refill their bottles and then there is a small bottle section.<br><br>
But I want to make a more environmentally friendly suggestion. At the organic bio-coops, their is something called "noix de lavage". They are the outer shell of a nut that grows in India. I know they travel far, but if you consider what all is accompanied in the supermarket products, I figure that they are better even with their travel. And they are super cheap in the long haul since they last for so long. Try putting them in the water you soak your dipes in before the wash and washing the dipes with them also. My daughter is out of dipes now, but I fell in love with wash nuts when she was first born and was in dipes. My dipes didn't ever smell. I only use wash nuts and savon de Marseille for all of our laundry. I go through my laundry and do a tiny wash of savon de Marseille by hand on all the spots, but not rinsing out the soap, just wetting the spots and putting soap on them, and then my laundry with a bag of wash nuts in the machine. After the machine has filled with water and is just agitating, I turn off the machine and let the laundry sit a few hours. Then I start the machine back up and let it run it's cycle. When I would have dipes, I would wash the stuff out of them with savon de Marseille immediately and then let them soak with the nuts until I had a load. I don't live in Paris, so I don't know where the bio-coops are there. Perhaps one of the Paris moms can tell you where to go if you decide to try wash nuts.
 

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Madrone-<br><br>
I'm glad you posted about the wash nuts. I have been using them for the past couple of months and am generally satisified, but I have found they don't get out the tough ground-in stains that my kids get from playing in the mud/dirt/sandbox/grass. I sometimes scrub with Savon de Marseille when I think about it, but reading your post reminds me to be more diligent.
 

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My aunt-IL is a foster mom with three little ones and doesn't spot wash her laundry before using the wash nuts. She lets all her laundry loads soak with the nuts for 2 to 3 days before putting them in the machine. I think you have to EITHER spot wash OR soak with the nuts for them to be effective. I wish that I could soak more for days than the small amount that I soak. We are a toilet paper free house and our toilet cloths soak for days. Plus, we do still have accidents a couple times a week and that soaks with the toilet cloths. But those soak together just in a small bucket and I can't seem to keep large enough buckets around to soak all our laundry. The large buckets just get taken. One large oval one became a bath tub, three other large ones became part of our rain catchment system. Lost another one recently to I don't know what. I know my family is exceptional in the bucket respect. I'm probably the only wife around that would lose my vacumn cleaner tubing to other things also. If you can keep large buckets around for soaking (one for darks, one for whites, one for dipes, and maybe one other for colors or exceptional loads), soaking for 2-3 days is easier than spot washing. But you also need the space for the buckets. I just spend time looking at the clothes before putting them in the machine and spot washing.
 

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Forgot to mention something. Some of the time, the wash nuts are really sticky, having lots of glue-like stuff around them. Some of the time, they are dry. I find that I need to do less spot washing when they are stickier. For that reason, I've decided that I need to get lots of them when the bulk bin is sticky and just get enough to get by when the bulk bin is dry. If I want to get a sack instead of bulk, I have to pull the sealed plastic sack out of the cloth covering to see what's inside. I don't know why some are dry, but it seems like the sticky stuff around some nuts has a lot of saponin. Once the nuts lose their color, the saponin is gone and they are useless. But dry nuts that are dark do still have saponin in them, just not as much as when they have gooey, sticky stuff around them. No matter whether they are gooey or just dark, it's got to be the cheapest (money) way to do laundry.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My aunt-IL is a foster mom with three little ones and doesn't spot wash her laundry before using the wash nuts. She lets all her laundry loads soak with the nuts for 2 to 3 days before putting them in the machine. I think you have to EITHER spot wash OR soak with the nuts for them to be effective. I wish that I could soak more for days than the small amount that I soak. We are a toilet paper free house and our toilet cloths soak for days. Plus, we do still have accidents a couple times a week and that soaks with the toilet cloths. But those soak together just in a small bucket and I can't seem to keep large enough buckets around to soak all our laundry. The large buckets just get taken. One large oval one became a bath tub, three other large ones became part of our rain catchment system. Lost another one recently to I don't know what. I know my family is exceptional in the bucket respect. I'm probably the only wife around that would lose my vacumn cleaner tubing to other things also. If you can keep large buckets around for soaking (one for darks, one for whites, one for dipes, and maybe one other for colors or exceptional loads), soaking for 2-3 days is easier than spot washing. But you also need the space for the buckets. I just spend time looking at the clothes before putting them in the machine and spot washing.</div>
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I'm not sure I go 2-3 days between washings -not enough clothes. Well, I guess I could soak the really dirty stuff and wash the rest on our "regular" schedule. I'll try soaking and better spot-washing and see what works best.
 
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