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Ok, I'm trying to decide which carseat will fit best in which car. I plan to go to the fire station and get it checked out, but I want what is best for that car when I go there. I have bought a Apex and a Nautilus, and we have a 93 940 Volvo station wagon and a 93 Suburu Legacy. I've got the Apex in the Suburu and the Nautilus in the Volvo right now. But I'm wondering if I should switch them. Neither one of the cars have a top tether, but the Suburu is the only one that a tether can be installed in, if I'm right about top tethers, because the Volvo has a hatchback and nothing to install a tether on as far as I know? And I've heard you can go to the dealer and have them install one for free or not very much money? Would that be true for an old 93 Suburu as well? We've never been to the dealer for anything so...<br><br>
The Apex manual doesn't say anything about using the top tether with the seatbelt. It only says don't use the LATCH with the seatbelt. We also don't have latch in either car. The Nautilus says use the top tether with either one regardless, assuming you have a top tether. So that's what I was thinking as far as puting the Nautilus in the Suburu.<br><br>
Two more points:<br>
One: My Volvo has high back seats on the side seats of the back seats but not the middle, the Suburu does not have high back seats at all. But you don't have to have the high back seat with the Apex until you use the highest harness strap or the booster seat when the back is at the higher position correct?<br><br>
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All of the Volvo's seats have a shoulder belt that need the locking clip with the harness, they are not the automatic locking kind. The middle back seat in the Suburu is a lap only belt that used to be automatic locking, I think (it has the buckle type thing on it), but the top part of the buckle thing came off. So should I treat it as a non-automatic locking now or do I need to get the top thing replaced? How much would that cost? - we are somewhat struggling financially. So if I treat it as a non automatic locking the Apex manual says don't use a locking clip on a lap belt whether its automatic or not. It says if it is not secure without the locking clip, then the locking clip won't fix it and to not put the carseat there. The Nautilus says *do* use a locking clip on non-automatic lap belt I think, I'll have to check, if it is not secure already. I seem to remember the Nautilus saying to use it on both if not secure, actually, but I might be wrong. So, right now I'm using the locking clip on the Volvo shoulder belt, because the Nautilus manual says to, and I have the Nautilus in there. I *don't* have a locking clip on the lap belt in the Suburu with the Apex because the Apex says not to.<br><br>
They both seem to be somewhat secure, but they are very close to that 1 in moving criteria. That critera is based on if you try to move the carseat from the bottom not the top, right? But they just don't seem secure enough to me, even though they don't move *more* than an inch. We used to use the mighty-tight until a few months ago when I read on here or another website that they are not considered safe. That would always get it so deceptively tight (I realize now that it very possibly would have faltered in a crash and then been totally loose), so maybe my expectations are too high?<br><br>
So anyway, based on that, I'm thinking of switching the carseats. I was so woefully uniformed until I started educating myself about this stuff. Now I still feel like I don't know enough...it is all so complicated. I *thought* I was educated about it before because I did a lot of research...but I just didn't find the right websites I guess (I hadn't found mothering or Car Seat Safety websites yet). You'd think all this info would be a lot more prominent out there...but...
 

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As far as your Apex goes, you can ONLY use it as long as your child's ears are below the vehicle seatback, regardless of where they are on the harness slots.<br><br>
The lap belt is broken. You cannot 'fix' it with a locking clip. A locking clip is a pre-crash positioner. The belt needs to be locked on its own in an impact either due to a pre-locking system (like the latch-plate) or emergently (when a belt 'locks up' with a decrease in speed. In order to use it for a car seat (or for anything), it needs to be fixed. You cannot install or sit anyone in that seating position.<br><br>
I would prefer to see the seats installed in a car eqipped with top tether anchors.
 

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The top tether is not required with either of those seats. Ideal, yes, and definitely recommended, but not absolutely necessary. You cannot use that lap belt, as it's broken. You could see about getting it fixed, but it would probably be spendy. You can never ever use a locking clip on a lap belt, period.
 

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What color is the interior of the Subaru. I can get you the part #, but it's specific to color, lol.<br>
For the Volvo, the part # is 6548778-4<br><br>
No matter how you use the Apex, the ears cannot go over the back of the seat, so to get any amount of use out of it, you need adjustable headrests preferrably. This needs to go in the car w/ the highest seatbacks.
 

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So my Suburu lapbelt is not safe at all?!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"> I had no clue...we've been using it like that for awhile; the top part broke off several months ago. So we've been driving around totally unsafe!? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yikes">: I previously just assumed that it made it like a non-automatic belt when the thing came off, and we should use a locking clip. Thank you for educating me! I thought for sure our previous carseat - Graco ComfortSport had said to use a locking clip with the lapbelt when it didn't have the latch plate thing on it...I guess either I was wrong or because we got that seat three years ago that advice is out of date?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">What color is the interior of the Subaru. I can get you the part #, but it's specific to color, lol.<br>
For the Volvo, the part # is 6548778-4<br><br>
No matter how you use the Apex, the ears cannot go over the back of the seat, so to get any amount of use out of it, you need adjustable headrests preferrably. This needs to go in the car w/ the highest seatbacks.</div>
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Thanks!<br>
Both the interior and exterior of the Suburu is blue. So if we order the part ourself, can we fix it ourself, and therefore not be too enormously expensive?<br><br>
Her ears aren't over the headrests. I know the front seats headrests are adjustable, but I don't know about the back seats.
 

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Thanks!<br>
Both the interior and exterior of the Suburu is blue. So if we order the part ourself, can we fix it ourself, and therefore not be too enormously expensive?<br><br>
Her ears aren't over the headrests. I know the front seats headrests are adjustable, but I don't know about the back seats.</div>
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ThePeach is talking about the tether anchor, not the seatbelt <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
If I had my LATCH book handy I could tell you, but thieves disguised as short cute people have evidently carried it away to the furthest recesses of the house <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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Can you by any chance get a picture of the lap belt? I'm having a hard time picturing it.
 

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Yeah, I'll take a picture. Posting it on here is another matter....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> I'll attempt it though...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br>
But to describe it, the top part of the latch plate is broken off - the plastic cover part. The metal underside where the belt threads through is still present. Does that clarify? Thanks.<br><br>
So she was talking about the tether...oh...so that means that the lap belt probably can't be fixed cheaply? It seems like such a small thing...you wouldn't think it would be so expensive. So I guess that is something I should ask the dealer about too.<br><br>
I moved the Apex in the Suburu to the side seat (right side), but I was thinking is one side safer then the other? Do more accidents occur on the left or right? I really hope we can get the belt fixed because I can't get the image out of my head of her getting hurt from a car hitting it on that side.<br>
Unfortunately my husband has to take her to school everyday since it does not open until after I go to work (I pick her up so we couldn't just switch cars). So we will have to live with it for now.<br><br>
Looking at the Volvo's highbacks and Suburus highbacks on the sides I think the Volvo's are higher and might even be adjustable. But when I put Lillian in it in the Suburu on the side her ears were not past the headrests in the Suburu. So since I didn't have time to move both seats (we've been using my car this weekend) I just moved it to the side. So this is OK for now since her ears are not past the headrests yet, right?
 
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