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It's been awhile since I visited this forum, but I could use some support now. I am a postpartum doula and just lost a client after her dr. told her it was imperative that everyone who comes into contact with her babies be up to date with the flu shot and the TDaP. I told her that I don't vax (I actually have had some very adverse reactions to vaccines in my past) and that was a deal breaker. I'm just feeling disheartened that the pharmaceutical companies and the medical establishment have successfully convinced so many people that this is necessary. I fear that if this comes up more regularly with my clients, I will need to find a new line of work <img alt="greensad.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/greensad.gif">
 

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Maggie, thanks for all the feedback. I work for myself, and this question has come up with other potential clients. Apparently here in the NYC metro area doctors are really getting aggressive about insisting on this with their patients. Of course I never bring up my history nor do I ever engage in a discussion about vaccines with my clients. But if the doctors are giving them this information there is not much I can do to stop it. Obviously I need to concentrate on working with women who are using midwives and going with a more natural approach.
 

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.  Plus we actually had Pertussis years ago, so I can never get it again.</div>
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I'm not advocating that you get the pertussis vaccine. It doesn't prevent transmission anyway, but just so you're aware for your own sake, having pertussis doesn't confer lifelong immunity either. It confers an incomplete immunity which probably lasts somewhere between 12 & 20 years.
 
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<p>Reputation means they clicked the thumbs up at the bottom of the post or on FB terms they "liked" it <img alt=":)" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="">  I think it's crappy that doctors are brainwashing people about *needing* to be vaxxed and making sure all people coming into contact with babies are vaxxed because they truth of the matter is, when you walk into the grocery store with your baby, you are not going to call ahead and ask for the vax status of all the people working and shopping at that time nor will you ask if the chef at the restaurant has his flu shot before you order your dinner.  So many people are walking around unvaxxed, half vaxxed, partially vaxxed, haven't had a booster in 50 years vaxxed....there are a million and one scenarios!  Is there a way you could provide people with information (say print out the Cochrane review on how flu shots don't prevent transmission?) or pamphlets about doing research and just leave it at that?  I like open lines of communication.  I've been very fortunate that both my chiropractor and my ND have been completely open about vaccines with me.  I actually came to the ND as a referral by my chiropractor (she also happens to bring her kids there) and specifically asked her if she knew of anyone that would be supportive of my decision to stop vaxxing DD after having reactions.  I love them both and being able to speak freely with them was very important to me.  They've been incredibly influential in keeping DD healthy and I can't thank them enough for that.  More than I can say for our former ped who we left because she was not only pushy about vaccinating, but used fear tactics and offered to "catch her up" on shots at one visit while she had a minor cold and most certainly made no effort to remain home while she herself was sick!  So sure you may lose some people to the hype, but their loss!</p>
 

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I'm not advocating that you get the pertussis vaccine. It doesn't prevent transmission anyway, but just so you're aware for your own sake, having pertussis doesn't confer lifelong immunity either. It confers an incomplete immunity which probably lasts somewhere between 12 & 20 years.</div>
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Hmm. I had been taught that you can't get Pertussis more than once easily, and some experts say it's extremely rare or may not have been actual pertussis either the first time or the second, if a second diagnosis has ever been made. I've never heard of anyone getting it more than once. Sadly, as most "immunity" studies are done only on vaccinated people, the results are skewed to show what happens with vaccinated people.</p>
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<p>Even with testing, Pertussis is subject to a lot of false negative readings, so it's either missed when it is present or sometimes diagnosed (without testing)  when it's something else. I know we had Pertussis, and <em>I do know natural immunity to a disease is far superior to any vaccine related "immunity.</em>" Even in vaccinated populations, Pertussis isn't something seen every year or two, like Influenza or colds, or even more than once in a lifetime. I'm still better protected than anyone who has only been vaccinated to the disease, in any case. Seeing as there is really NO way to totally avoid Pertussis, (as most people who get it <em>are</em> vaccinated against it) then what is the POINT of getting the vaccine and why would anyone be afraid of you if you or your children are not vaccinated?</p>
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<p>Even if what you are saying is factual (don't know that it is as so much reporting on these diseases has been adulterated by the need to scare people into vaxing) we're better off than either the cellular or acelluar vaccine would have conveyed.  And oddly,  (or not) I was "completely" vaccinated, my oldest child had been given two or three Whole Cell Pertussis Vaccines, my middle one or two Whole Cell Vaccines, and the youngest had none. <em>We ALL got sick and the severity of the illness had NO relation to how many vaccines or how recently any of us had been vaccinated at all!   My husband had been "fully vaccinated"  with Whole Cell but years earlier than any of the rest of us, his vaccine immunity should have been gone, but he was the only one who <strong>didn't</strong> get it.</em> The vaccine gives fairly crappy immunization, (as three of the four pp who got Pertussis were either fully or partially "immunized" to it) so I don't even see the point, even if it hadn't damaged my oldest child's brain. What is one supposed to do? Get a Pertussis vaccine every couple of years? No thanks.</p>
 

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I'm sorry Jenveg618. That must feel distressing to you to have lost a client for that reason. There is a lot of scary stuff out there for new Mamas to sort through. Even though we've made the decision that we have, i still feel darn near panic when i think of pertussis. It is that time of year again and its already on the news in a town nearby. I keep telling myself "horses not zebras" When i hear someone hacking.
 

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The post sent before I was ready for it to. I just wanted to sympathize with you because I know it feels crappy to be judged based on something you feel to be inherently right. Like your dirty or something. However, its probably in your best interest because you wouldn't want to be the culprit if Mama or baby was to get sick. Although i do not wish for anyone to become ill.
 

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Hmm. I had been taught that you can't get Pertussis more than once easily, and some experts say it's extremely rare or may not have been actual pertussis either the first time or the second, if a second diagnosis has ever been made. I've never heard of anyone getting it more than once. Sadly, as most "immunity" studies are done only on vaccinated people, the results are skewed to show what happens with vaccinated people.<br><br>
Even with testing, Pertussis is subject to a lot of false negative readings, so it's either missed when it is present or sometimes diagnosed (without testing)  when it's something else. I know we had Pertussis, and <i>I do know natural immunity to a disease is far superior to any vaccine related "immunity.</i>" Even in vaccinated populations, Pertussis isn't something seen every year or two, like Influenza or colds, or even more than once in a lifetime. I'm still better protected than anyone who has only been vaccinated to the disease, in any case. Seeing as there is really NO way to totally avoid Pertussis, (as most people who get it <i>are</i> vaccinated against it) then what is the POINT of getting the vaccine and why would anyone be afraid of you if you or your children are not vaccinated?<br><br>
Even if what you are saying is factual (don't know that it is as so much reporting on these diseases has been adulterated by the need to scare people into vaxing) we're better off than either the cellular or acelluar vaccine would have conveyed.  And oddly,  (or not) I was "completely" vaccinated, my oldest child had been given two or three Whole Cell Pertussis Vaccines, my middle one or two Whole Cell Vaccines, and the youngest had none. <i>We ALL got sick and the severity of the illness had NO relation to how many vaccines or how recently any of us had been vaccinated at all!   My husband had been "fully vaccinated"  with Whole Cell but years earlier than any of the rest of us, his vaccine immunity should have been gone, but he was the only one who <b>didn't</b> get it.</i> The vaccine gives fairly crappy immunization, (as three of the four pp who got Pertussis were either fully or partially "immunized" to it) so I don't even see the point, even if it hadn't damaged my oldest child's brain. What is one supposed to do? Get a Pertussis vaccine every couple of years? No thanks.</div>
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I did say that I wasn't advocating you get a pertussis vaccine in my first post. And, while I didn't specifically say natural immunity was better I did intend to imply it when I said natural immunity lasts 12-20 years.<br><br>
As to the veracity of what I said, here is one article for you <a href="http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000647" target="_blank">http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000647</a><br><br>
There are plenty more on Google Scholar. This project actually found that natural immunity may be as long as 30 years which is significantly more than previously though but is also highly variable.<br><br>
As I thought I made clear, I wasn't intending to criticise your choice (I agree with you, not that it matters) but simply mention that having a disease is not an iron-clad guarantee of lifelong immunity. It's not that uncommon across the board of infectious diseases; anecdatally, I know more than one person who has had the same infectious disease twice.
 

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I did say that I wasn't advocating you get a pertussis vaccine in my first post. And, while I didn't specifically say natural immunity was better I did intend to imply it when I said natural immunity lasts 12-20 years.<br><br>
As to the veracity of what I said, here is one article for you <a href="http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000647" target="_blank">http://www.plospathogens.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1000647</a><br><br>
There are plenty more on Google Scholar. This project actually found that natural immunity may be as long as 30 years which is significantly more than previously though but is also highly variable.<br><br>
As I thought I made clear, I wasn't intending to criticise your choice (I agree with you, not that it matters) but simply mention that having a disease is not an iron-clad guarantee of lifelong immunity. It's not that uncommon across the board of infectious diseases; anecdatally, I know more than one person who has had the same infectious disease twice.</div>
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<p>Thank you. I'll look more into it.</p>
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<p>I guess my point was it may be academically possible to get Pertussis more than once, but it is not seen often in real populations. Anything is possible, I know a family where the father is full Native American, their children are my older children's age, in their 20s and older, and all of their children have had chicken pox more than once, one child having it more than 4 times. Possible to get Chicken Pox more than once, but not commonly seen. Also that for Pertussis as the vaccine is far from great protection, getting the illness is better protection against the disease.</p>
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<p>I'll have to look more into this. All I have seen is pro-vax sites basically saying, "You can get Pertussis more than once, so get the vaccine." With no evidence to support that stance.  I know now that wasn't <em>your</em> point, but that seems so many who immediately tell me our having Pertussis is no reason NOT to get the vaccine, I thought that was what you were saying, as well. I know that now not to be true. I'm sorry if I misunderstood.</p>
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<p>It was a very interesting study. They take the (what they consider "radical") stance that actually getting the disease confers a much longer immune time than getting the vaccine. I agree. However, why is this considered such a radical idea in medicine? I think thinking so is perfectly logical thinking.</p>
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<p>The ideas with some status quo medicine ideas that "the stuff we invent is better than the stuff Nature invents" in everything from milk for infants to resistance to disease always amazes me.</p>
 
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Whatever your personal beliefs, it's wrong to deliberately mislead clients about whether you've had a particular vaccine. If she does not want people around her baby who haven't had a particular vaccine, that is her right. The professional--and moral--thing to do is to be truthful.
 

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<p>The way our agency (and many agencies) work, the client is sent a monograph about the LC, midwife, doula, cranial sacral specialist, masseuse, aromatherapy therapist, PPMD Psychologist or whomever she is looking to hire from us. If they have questions, they may ask the Scheduler. However, our HIPPA rights to the privacy of our medical records still apply.</p>
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<p>Does a patient have a right to a doctor's private HIPPA protected files? I think not. Same goes for LCs, Doulas, Midwives, Counselors etc.</p>
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<p>Our clients are told the HCPs profile and may ask questions, some are off limits due to privacy issues. One cannot cater to every Vaccine Drama Related issue  every single client may have. <em>Luckily, most clients don't ask</em> because most of our clients are intelligent women and they know you can't control the entire world according to their personal wishes. <em>However, we have all had the occasional client who bypasses the Scheduler and tries to ambush us while we are already in the home.</em> The answer, "I have had all necessarily vaccines." Is the truth. No one needs the majority of adult vaccines available. What if a client wants a doula who has been vaccinated against everything including The Bubonic Plague? (yep, there's a vaccine for that, and it a VERY high risk vaccine.) W<em>ould YOU risk your own life and neurological and immune health to please one client?</em></p>
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<p>Also, in most areas, when you hire a doula, a midwife, a chiropractor, a cranio-sacral specialist, a lactation consultant, and aroma therapist etc, you are going to, for all intents and purposes are hiring people who are <em>very</em> health conscious and few vaccinate themselves or their children willy nilly according to the paranoid Flavor of the Week. <em>You're dealing with a High Crunch Factor with these people. In fact, most Pediatricians haven't had these boosters or additional vaccines since either childhood or medical school. But, especially if you are working with alternative health care specialists one will not usually be getting people who are going around getting themselves injected with every Flavor of the Month vaccine according to FOX News' most recent paranoid "report"</em> on "Dangerous People around your Baby!"</p>
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<p>If our clients don't like the monograph of the doula, LC, midwife etc, that the Scheduler provides her, she can look at an other one or go elsewhere. But, when they choose a doula,or midwife,  or LC, sign a contract for care, schedule her time, and then ambush that HCP with questions of <em>a personal nature</em> a<em>fter she had the ability to ask any questions she had the right to have answered earlier</em> the answer "I have had all necessary vaccines." is a perfectly acceptable answer.  These HCPs not going to give your kid HIV or Hepatitis or Rabies... or Cooties and they don't need to be vaccinated with every single vaccine and booster available to secure you or your family's safety.</p>
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<p>Good luck finding a Cranio-Sacral Specialist, Chiropractor, Midwife or even LC who has had <em>all</em> the vaccines available to the public. <img alt="headscratch.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/headscratch.gif">   These HCPs are healthy and safe. <em>No one needs ALL the available vaccines and clients cannot demand someone risk their own lives with some of these vaccines that are <strong>dangerous</strong>.</em> Some very sketchy MDs or News Reporters (who most likely haven't even had ALL the vaccines themselves) are scaring new mothers about things they have no need to worry about. How many new moms ask their Pediatricians if THEY have had a TDaP Booster that year? Ask, you'll most likely be told that your MD's HIPPA file is none of your business. Because it really isn't.</p>
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<p>Do people ask the Valet who parks their car at the doctor's office if he's had "his shots?" How about the woman at the supermarket who <em>handles your food</em>? The cook at a restaurant who really handles and cooks your food? Your La Leche League Leader? (good luck with that one)  Your Pastor? Your baby sitter? Your inlaws? The nurse at the Ped's office? What about the plumber who fixed your shower the week after the baby was born? The UPS guy?  Really, it's getting out of hand, but MOST people aren't this paranoid and realize that babies have maternal immunities, that human milk is protective and that, yes, going outside or having people in your house <em>may</em> carry a small risk to anyone.</p>
 

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<p>I have to agree with the opinion that it's unethical of you to mislead your clients as you do when you answer their questions about whether you've had a particular vaccine.  By saying you've had all necessary vaccinations, you're implying that the answer to "have you received <em>this</em> vaccine?" is "yes."  You aren't obligated to answer the question, but the honest way to not answer is to say something like "I don't discuss my personal health decisions with clients."  In any profession that had codified a set of ethical standards for practitioners, that's how it would go.  Federal patient privacy law prevents unauthorized individuals (your professional clients included) from getting your personal health information, it doesn't prevent them from asking, or from making decisions like preferring all the people who care for themselves and their children to be vaccinated against pertussis.  They don't have a right to the information, but they have a right to not be misled about it.</p>
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<p>I was just going to post exactly this. It's not a HIPAA issue--HIPAA regards providers and payers sharing a patient's information, not a patient/provider sharing their own personal information. It's an ethical issue. If you don't want to disclose your vaccination status, that's your business, but it's not ethical to mislead patients about it if they ask directly, and using the word "necessary" in a way that you think they are likely to misinterpret is misleading. They deserve the right to decide for themselves if they are all right with not having this information (and with the attendant implication that you haven't vaxxed). </p>
 

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<p>I've <em>never</em> lied to a client. I've had this question posed to me about twice in 20 years, I am always honest, and I HAVE had necessary vax. Please read my post about how our agency works. No one is lying. I think my question has been answered, though.  You're twisting my words... just like Tuteur.</p>
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You said, "You aren't obligated to answer the question, but the honest way to not answer is to say something like "I don't discuss my personal health decisions with clients." <em>That's what I do.</em> I HAVE had all necessary vaccines.  No unnecessary ones. If they continue to ask about privacy issues they are referred back to the agency. Happily, I've only run into this once or twice in more than 20 years.</p>
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<p>If a client wants to know if you have had specific vaccines, and you answer that you have had all that are necessary and keep to yourself that you think the ones the client wants to know about are not necessary, are you not intending for the client to walk away with the impression that you have had the vaccines they are concerned about?  You may be using clever wording to manage avoiding saying anything you don't believe to be true when the words stand by themselves, but in the context of a client wanting to know about them, how is deliberately leading them to believe that you have had vaccines that you haven't not a lie?</p>
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<p>I support your right to avoid vaccines.  I support your right to say "my personal medical choices are not your business" to clients who ask.  But saying "I've had all the necessary" is not telling them that it is none of their business, it is deliberately misleading them. </p>
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<p>Why not either either tell them the truth, that you haven't had the vaccines, or tell them that it is none of their business, and if they have a problem with either of those things, refer them back to the agency? </p>
 

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<p>And, now back to the thread! Has anyone else lost clients due to a no-vax status? Any suggestions or support for the OP?</p>
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<p>If a client wants to know if you have had specific vaccines, and you answer that you have had all that are necessary and keep to yourself that you think the ones the client wants to know about are not necessary, are you not intending for the client to walk away with the impression that you have had the vaccines they are concerned about?  You may be using clever wording to manage avoiding saying anything you don't believe to be true when the words stand by themselves, but in the context of a client wanting to know about them, how is deliberately leading them to believe that you have had vaccines that you haven't not a lie?</p>
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<p>I support your right to avoid vaccines.  I support your right to say "my personal medical choices are not your business" to clients who ask.  But saying "I've had all the necessary" is not telling them that it is none of their business, it is deliberately misleading them. </p>
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<p>Why not either either tell them the truth, that you haven't had the vaccines, or tell them that it is none of their business, and if they have a problem with either of those things, refer them back to the agency? </p>
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I've never gotten into a debate about vaccines with a client, of course not. So there no "discussion" about it. No one as actually asked about specifics, if they had they would have been referred back to the agency. <em>My words are REALLY being taken out of context</em>. <strong>Maybe I was too flip about this thing, I don't know.</strong>  I've only been usually asked in the context of a client wanting my opinion about vaxing her own baby, <em>which isn't my job and I refuse to discuss it with clients. And then the question "Well did you vax your own kids? Did your parents vaccinate you?" Which I refuse to answer as it isn't my job to advise them on these matters, and my and my children's medical files are not anyone's business.</em> No one has actually asked about a <em>particular</em> vaccine in detail and I don't expect they will. The vast majority of our clients are well educated, intelligent women who make their own choices, many have had home births, about 95% or more breastfeed. Most have made up their minds about vaxing before their babies were born. But, discussing my own, my children or their children's vaccine history is not something that I do.</p>
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<p>One would only see a problem with this if one <em>really</em> thought a yearly Flu vaccine or TDap was "necessary." </p>
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<p>Working with children does not mean that one who dies is at the mercy of every wish of their clients. No one has been "lied" to and I do wish the hyperbole would stop.</p>
 
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