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Hi. My son is 4 months old and has a bunch of blood and mucous in stool. I am trying to get to the bottom of the problem and eliminated dairy (milk, cheese, butter) from my diet about a month ago. However, things have not improved. He has a lot of diarrhea too (sometimes his poop is pure liquid and exceptionally stinky). There have been diapers that were pretty much only mucuous and blood without much poop. He doesn't seem to have a lot of pain although sometimes I think he's possibly a little uncomfortable. His doctor would like me to take him off the breast for 24 hours (the first 12 hours on Pedialyte and the second 12 hours on hypoallergenic formula) to see if this stops the baby's gut irritation. Before trying this though, he wants me to start giving my baby little bits of cereal so that the baby can get some calories when he's off the breast and on pedialyte. I'm not sure where he plans to go from there, but I'm just hoping that someone might have a clue about what is actually causing the problem since it doesn't seem to be cow's milk. I did realize about a week ago that trace amounts of cow's milk might have gotten into my system via non-dairy creamer (???) but that's really it. My son isn't having any problems gaining weight (he's in the 90th percentile) as he would suck on a breast all day if I left him there. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!
 

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oooooo....i really don't have any personal experience with allergic babies, but it does definitely sound like that's what you've got. i'm sure some other moms on here have more experience and can give more detailed advice, but from what i've come across in reading i would NOT give him ANYTHING but breastmilk. breastmilk will protect his fragile digestive system from the allergies getting worse. that said, it does sound like something is really bugging his digestive tract. the biggies after milk (which you've already eliminated, but be aware that whey and casein, the milk protein that causes most allergies, are added to lots of things -- read your labels!) are wheat, soy, eggs, nuts, shellfish, corn, citrus, berries and i'm probably leaving something out. i think dr sears has some advice on breastfeeding an allergic baby. i'll see if i can find a link for you.<br><br>
the two things i would suggest for your situation before trying your pediatrician's ideas are to keep a food diary for yourself and note what you eat that sets off a particularly bad reaction in your ds and to go on an elimination diet for two weeks and eliminate ALL the common allergens from your diet. you might want to stock up on some good non-wheat items, etc, before starting it because i know how ravenous i was as a nursing mother. i think an elimination diet would be tough, but basically you only have to do it for a few weeks until you see improvement and then you can start to add foods one at a time back into your diet. you can also do it the reverse way and take foods out one at a time, but that takes longer i think.<br><br>
anyway, good luck to you mama, and check these links out. hope some mamas with more experience will write in, too.<br><br><a href="http://askdrsears.com/html/4/T041200.asp" target="_blank">http://askdrsears.com/html/4/T041200.asp</a><br><a href="http://askdrsears.com/html/4/t041800.asp" target="_blank">http://askdrsears.com/html/4/t041800.asp</a><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns/food-sensitivity.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/babyconcerns...nsitivity.html</a><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/so...ay-solids.html</a><br><br>
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Ditto to beanma's post! I don't think your ped's giving you good advice at all. Breastmilk is definitely better for kids with allergies than formula. Although the elimination diet may be rough, your baby will be so much better off healthwise in the long run if you stick with it.<br><br>
Have you talked to a lactation consultant or a pediatric gastroenterologist?
 

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ITA with the previous posters. I'd like to add: if it can take weeks for a food intolerance to leave a baby's system, what will taking the baby off the breast for one day do?<br><br>
Do you have access to a homeopath who could help you narrow down any food intolerances your babe might have? I went throught his with ds#2. For us it was chicken, oranges, and dairy.
 

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I also agree with the others, it seems like taking him off breastmilk would be the worst choice. You mentioned that you have non dairy creamer, do you drink coffee? My daughter cant handle it if I drink any cofee, decaf of regular. She gets diahrea and very fussy, so that could be something to eliminate. Also she cant handle peanuts, spinich, cocoa and ofcourse, dairy. I found this out by eating really gentle things like cereal with rice milk (even too much soy upsets her), noodles, veggies and fruit (things I know dont make her sick) for a couple days and then adding one thing in at a time. Did your doctor suggest any other alternatives? A baby who is as sensative as yours might not handle cereal very well at all. Oh yeah, bananas are another thing that my dd is intollerant of.<br>
Hope some of this helps. Good Luck!!
 

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<b>beanma</b> posted some really good Dr. Sears pages, especially for listing some other very allergenic foods. Do you eat soy? That would be the next one to cut, I believe. Shellfish, tree nuts, peanuts, wheat & egg whites are other biggies.<br><br>
My dd is allergic to dairy, shellfish and peanuts, and I know that it can be a challenge to cut dairy from your diet. I know reading the labels is hard, but here are some tips. I usually look for the Kosher marking of "Pareve" (no dairy), and put anything with a "D" back on the shelf. May I share a big list of possible dairy products?<br><br>
Artifical Butter Flavor<br>
Butter<br>
Casein<br>
Caseinate<br>
Cheese<br>
Cottage Cheese<br>
Cream<br>
Curds<br>
Dry Milk Solids<br>
Ghee<br>
Goat's Milk<br>
Half & Half<br>
Lactalbumin<br>
Lactoglobulin<br>
Lactose<br>
Lactulose<br>
Milk<br>
Milk Chocolate<br>
Nonfat Milk Solids<br>
Nougat<br>
Rennet<br>
Whey<br><br>
Have you asked around your local LLL group for a mom with experience in food allergies?<br><br>
ETA: I have a friend, who is on an elimination diet while bf'ing (we are not, BTW) and I think it is taking her a month to see a difference. We saw results soon, but I do think she got better after a month. Keep trying. Hope things get better for you soon!
 

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Wow. THank you all for the advice. I am a little bummed by this diet though! I realized that much of my daily pleasure is derived from food and this is depressing! Anyway, I am wondering if Tums are ok to eat on this diet. Also, do you know if I can take a daily vitamin-- especially now that my diet is restricted. Thanks!
 

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my healthy, happy bf baby got some blood in stool and diarrhea after her shots. stopped those and it magically cleared up.<br><br>
wont make that mistake again.<br><br>
doc insisted it wasnt that....lol<br><br>
expand your search for culprits.<br><br>
poor baby, hope you find and erradicate cause soon
 

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Some calcium supplements have milk products in them. Does Tums have a list if its ingredients?<br><br>
I had a friend whose daughter had bloody stools. Went off all dairy, some improvement, but not complete. She then cut out beef and baby was all better.<br><br>
Just remember, with an elimination diet, you (most likely) won't end up having to cut out all your favorite foods. Just some.<br><br>
Here is a great long recent thread on allergies:<br><br><a href="http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71447&highlight=nursing+allergic+baby" target="_blank">http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...+allergic+baby</a>
 

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I'm just on the other side of a year of a diet of turkey, rice (and it's derivitives) potatoes, yams, and all kinds of squashes.<br><br>
It took over a month for everything to leave my system and then I had a baby that didn't have messed up stools and screaming belly pain 12 hours a day.<br><br>
It's so so hard. I know exactly what you mean about the pleasure of food. But the creativity involved in the elimination diet can really become fun.<br><br>
There's a wheat free thread floating around somewhere. CHeck it out.<br><br>
You can do it!!
 

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Thank you guys for all of the great info. I'm so glad I was referred to this site. Sarah, (and anyone else who might have<br>
info on this horrible diet) let me ask you couple of specific questions about the Elimination Diet. Is chicken acceptable for the diet or does it have to be turkey? Also, at first, is it strictly turkey, rice, potatoes, squash, pears, salt, pepper? Or can I add a couple spices and things like olive oil?<br>
I was rereading the Dr. Sears site and I saw in the Elimination Diet section, a note about using rice milk in your cereal. I was confused that it implied that I could eat cereal. I thought I was stuck with strictly the things on the list and I've never heard of squash & potato cereal.<br><br>
The site also mentioned rice dessert ( which suggests to me that I can indulge).<br><br>
I would think that rice dessert would have sugar or some kind of sweetener. What do you think? Am I being too literal. Also, for anyone on this diet, I would like to suggest throwing pear slices on the George Forman grill. It almost tastes like a dessert.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
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It has to be turkey. Dr. Sear's says it has to be free range but that knocked the price tag up three or four dollars per meal and we couldn't afford that. The funny thing we found was that the higher the fat content of the turkey (it's always on the package) the more it bothered him. So I ate free range when I could and 97% fat free otherwise. Chicken bothered him immensely. But your babe could be different.<br><br>
Turkey is the starting off meat. You CAN try chicken. After the turkey.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Vegetable oil worked for us. Not canola oil. COrn was a big no no. Olive oil didn't for some reason. I was also able to use Lawry's season salt, thank freakin' god, although it contains small amounts of onions and garlic and paprika. I didn't use it immediately. I only used salt and pepper for a month and he was able to handle Lawry's after that.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Rice is a WONDERFUL thing. You can find many many pure rice cold AND hot cereals. This;<br><br><a href="http://www.object-net.com/shell/otsb.obn?P:0:1:207.150.72.253+G+akins+null+wheatfre:1:2:C:ERW01294" target="_blank">http://www.object-net.com/shell/otsb...1:2:C:ERW01294</a><br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>The site also mentioned rice dessert ( which suggests to me that I can indulge).<br><br>
I would think that rice dessert would have sugar or some kind of sweetener. What do you think? Am I being too literal. Also, for anyone on this diet, I would like to suggest throwing pear slices on the George Forman grill. It almost tastes like a dessert.<br><br></i></td>
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Just be careful of the rice desserts, some contain glutens. All should be well marked. There are also rice flour cookies and if you bake you can be creative with rice flour for your own baking of the sweet stuff.<br><br>
Absolutely grilled pears. I loved them.<br><br>
I have specific things I ate that I can recommend if you like.
 

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I really really appreciate all of the advice. I felt like I was fumbling around in the dark with this diet a little bit but I feel much better after reading your response. I'm going to hit the store tomorrow and buy turkey. I wish I hadn't cleaned out the store's chicken supply already. I would love to hear of some of your specific ideas of food choices because I'm not feeling too creative with these ingredients. Frankly, I'm used to buying salads and sandwiches on the run or throwing a Lean Cuisine in the microwave so I can use all of the ideas that I can get.<br><br>
Thanks again! Also, I put some zucchini in the Foreman Grill too and it was so easy and pretty tasty too. I think I'll be doing a good bit of Elimination Diet cooking on that grill.<br><br>
Also, do you know if a little sugar is ok on the diet? The pear juice I picked up has a little sugar in it and I'd love to get a gluten-free rice dessert.<br><br>
THANKS!!
 

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Just wanted to add my support and a few things:<br><br>
Have you contacted a LLL Leader in your area? She would certainly be helpful in sorting out the yes's and no's of an elimination diet, and like someone else mentioned she may have contact information to a mom who had to go through this.<br><br>
I had a friend whose baby presented with the same symptoms of blood and mucuos in her stool. She eliminated dairy and all dairy-associated foods and additives, but still found it was not enough. She had to go on to eliminate all soy products as well.<br><br>
Eliminating breastmilk seems strange to me too! Good luck!
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Wow. THank you all for the advice. I am a little bummed by this diet though! I realized that much of my daily pleasure is derived from food and this is depressing!</td>
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I, too, was bummed at first. What ended up happening is that I became much more aware of what I put into my body. I also increased my own exercise. I feel great. A happy side effect of my son's food intolerences. It can all be a bit overwhelming at first. I hope you figure out what is going on with your babe.
 

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Mamaoui I see exactly what you're talking about and it's only my 2nd day. I'm getting into the idea of eating whole natural foods rather than the constant processed foods. I just wish I could go out and eat but if I did, I would certainly cheat. I hope I lose a little weight as a nice side effect.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
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I've been on the diet 6 days and the problems actually seemed to be improving. There was still diarrhea but the blood was barely perceptible. However, today, out of nowhere, his diaper looks as bad as it ever did. Lots of blood. and he's miserable. I've been strictly on the diet, no cheating. Any ideas? I'm trying to find a Pediatric gastrointerologist that takes my insurance.<br><br>
I'm also wondering if his overeating could be part of the problem. He loves to eat and I've let him nurse in the middle of the night to his heart's content. Last night I fell asleep and realized an hour later that he was still nursing. In the hospital, they called me an "overproducer" and Jackson is in the 90th percentile for weight. Anyone ever heard of this as a potential blood producer?<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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I haven't heard of that as a reason (but I'm by no means an expert). Allergy is usually the thing. Is it possible that he is allergic to something other than milk, perhaps?<br><br>
Is he gaining weight well?<br><br>
I'm so sorry things aren't getting 100% better. Maybe it just takes more time. But, I think you are right to get moving on a doctor, in case it is something serious.
 

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When you say blood, may ask is it bright red blood? Or is it darker blood?<br><br>
Bright red might indicate irritation int he rectum itself, perhaps a burst blood vessel, a bleeding internal hemrrhoid. BIL has these issues.<br><br>
Darker blood would move the problem further up the intestinal tract.... I'm not sure what issues a little one would have, but I know a bleeding ulcer can produce dark blood int he stools.<br><br>
Also is the blood part of the bowel movement? Or perhaps part of the urination?<br><br>
If it is with urination it could be UTI, or other inffection. My ds had blood in his diaper, and it was his liver causing it. He was younger though, and it was due to an immature liver. But liver issues can cause the red too.<br><br>
I'm just throwing ideas out for you, so you can possibly ask questions to your dr that might help solve what is going on.
 

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Thanks for your help. It's definitely in the stool. It's sometimes looks like threads intertwined with mucuous. Sometimes it's just mixed in with the stool and the whole stool looks sort of reddish orange. It's almost always associated with some kind of mucuous. I just started a new thread because my doc is really pushing for me to take the baby off breastmilk for a few days and I got a little worried. I'm trying to get into see a specialist (g.i.) but noone's available for a month!<br><br>
Thanks again!
 
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