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Ok so I have read NCSS and have tried many things Pantley suggestions and have also done my "research" reading previous posts and threads. My ds is 11 months old, bf, and we cosleep. I also still wear him 3/5days a week for about an hour even though he is 25 pounds. We recently started solids so I am trying to tank him up during the day. I have some questions though that only other mamas can answer. Help please <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"><br><br>
1. If you tried to cut back on night nursing to help them sleep- letting them touch your breast, or patting how did you finally succeed? My ds knows where I keep the boobies and will paw at me, excepting no less than the nip.<br>
2. We recently put a daybed bed next to our bed and have tried to put him in his own area in case that was one of the reason for his night wakings.(smelling the milk, or disrupted by our movement) I can't really tell if it is working yet or not. But I have still been putting him down for naps in our bed (more comfortable for me since I often fall asleep too). Is that ok or should I always put him in his "area"?<br>
3. My ds often wakes up crying (most often from 3am - 6am, every hour or so) and I can't figure out why. I always respond quickly but it happens almost every night. There have been no major changes and he is not teething or sick. Any one else experience this? Any suggestions?<br><br>
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Well, first I'd say you never actually KNOW for a fact when they are teething. DD"s teeth seem to come through in a few days with no nubby/red gums or really any signs.<br><br>
Second, I think 11 months is a little young to understand he can nurse during the day but only touch at night.<br><br>
maybe someone can offer you the help you're looking for, but I don't think any kind of night weaning helps them sleep more. It helps you sleep more
 

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Around your dcs age, my son went through an increase in nursing. He nursed a whole lot throughout the day and 3-4 times through the night. We chose not to night ween. I just don't think it would have been beneficial for him or me, and I think if he didn't wake every once in awhile I'd be up worrying and making sure he was still breathing (does that make me a freak??).<br><br>
I don't see anything with napping together during the day. He probably gets better rest during the day. Lying down next to mom is just...comfortable, even for me as an adult.<br><br>
Is he waking up crying because he is in the day bed? I'd probably wake up crying, too, in a new sleeping situation at that age. He just wakes up and doesn't feel mommy there.<br><br>
Just allowing to touch the breast is probably pretty confusing, and kind of teasing him. I'm not wanting to hurt your feelings about that, but that's just what I think.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Second, I think 11 months is a little young to understand he can nurse during the day but only touch at night.</div>
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It's really not developmentally appropriate to withhold nursing at night that young. It sounds like your baby still needs to nurse. Wouldn't you all get more sleep if he could just latch on and nurse?<br><br>
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I didn't mean night weaning at all - I was looking for suggestions on how to help him in that time from 3 - 6 am where he wakes almost hourly crying (he does this in our bed too) and doesn't necessarily eat, just latches on until he resettles. I have read that other people's children will accept a pat, or snuggle or the hand on the breast thing. I was saying that it didn't work for me when I tried that and wondering how other mama's got it to work. To the OP when he is in the daybed he is literally less than two feet away from me - he had done the same thing prior to the daybed in our bed and I thought that maybe he was crowded and needed his own space.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I didn't mean night weaning at all - I was looking for suggestions on how to help him in that time from 3 - 6 am where he wakes almost hourly crying (he does this in our bed too) and doesn't necessarily eat, just latches on until he resettles.</div>
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What's the problem with letting him nurse back down each time?<br><br>
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I think the No Cry Sleep Solution is just that, a solution for a problem. But it doesn't sound like your child is a problem sleeper. Your baby sounds normal. I'm not saying it's easy, but I think a lot of AP moms read that book thinking they're going to get their baby to sleep through the night when it's not developmentally appropriate yet.<br><br>
I feel your pain on the sleepless mornings and/or nights, really I do. DS goes through phases when I'm <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: and I literally throw my own fits at night. All I can say is that they really are just phases and it does get better. IMO babies at one year old still need to nurse and cuddle on demand so I'm keeping on keeping on. Sometimes a reason for increased nursing is apparent AFTER the fact (growth spurt, tooth comes through - AHA!!). I just wouldn't make yourself crazy trying all the tricks for a baby that's developmentally appropriate. Just makes life harder. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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FWIW, ds always wakes up crying, too, when I'm not there. I think he's just half-asleep still and confused, disoriented; usually if I get there quickly, he goes right back to sleep.<br><br>
The NCSS thing takes a really long time, despite what she tells you in the book. The key is to unlatch when your babe is aaaaaalmost asleep (99%); if he still roots or climbs back on, just do it and try again in 20 secs or so. We've been doing this casually for about 6 months now, and now ds hardly ever actually nurses TO sleep. He nurses at bedtime, and then will unlatch and roll over and fall asleep on his own (I'm still there). Sometimes at night now I can say "night night" and he'll just lay down and go back to sleep, which feels like a super achievement. Most of the time he wants to nurse though and won't take no for an answer... I figure we'll get there eventually.
 

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I'm confused....you said you're not trying to reduce night feedings? Which btw is the exact same thing as night weaning <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">!<br><br>
See your number 1 from the list.<br><br>
And a lot of babies wake up crying....nursing/rocking is what most do
 

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If you can't find anything wrong, maybe a super soggy diaper? Maybe it is teething? As a PP said, babies sometimes just cry and we can't figure out why. If you can console them through nursing, rocking, etc., then go for it.<br><br>
It'll pass.<br><br>
Kids grow up too fast. I'm realizing that more and more, and my oldest isn't even three.
 

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I guess I wasn't really clear - sorry. I was wondering if any one else's dc wakes up crying like mine. I have no problem with nursing him back down, that is what I have done each 2 - 3 hours for the past 11 months. But I am more of a treat the problem not the symptom person and wondered if anyone had any input on what it could be. I had been thinking night terrors, or something. But from the response I've gotten it sounds like the consensus is his age and that developmentally he's not ready for longer stretches of sleep. The question (my number 1) about other people getting their child back down w/out nursing was more out of curiosity b/c like I said my ds would fight like mad and claw at me until I nurse him and I was wondering if that actually worked for people.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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We do this part too - and it's working pretty well for us, its just that 3am - 6am that I hate - I hate this feeling in my stomach that it's something more.<br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Thanks lrlittle I appreciate your encouragement <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/thanks.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thanks"><br><br>
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I have tried changing his diaper but it only wakes him more then I am dealing with awake for and hour then waking every hour still. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/crap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crap"><br><br>
Another poster did say that sometimes you don't even know but it IS teething so maybe but I don't see any signs at all during the day like we have in the past.
 

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Our Ds is also 11 mo and does the same thing.<br><br>
For some reason, after 2 am, he wakes much more frequently and is harder to resettle. He doesn't want to nurse, he makes it clear he isn't hungry. We EC but he refuses to potty at that time. We tried using liners and soakers in our CD and even using disposables to get rid of the wet, soggy feeling but he still wakes up. I actually stayed up last night and worked from 2-6am to see if my being out of the bed made a difference. At first I thought it did, but then I looked at what I wrote down and he still woke-up 4 times between 2 and 6:30. The closest I've figured out is that the teething medicine we give him at night (just before 7 pm) has worn off and he is uncomfortable. But, he doesn't like taking another dose, and we avoid using it when we can. The other possibility is that he is sleeping too much during the day (he naps 3-4.5 hours) but he can't really handle shorter naps so that's our life story. Clif Notes version: you're not alone.<br><br>
For now, we rock and sing back to sleep, and with that he usually goes right back to sleep, though he does wake again 45-90 minutes later.
 

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Valian, good to hear that I am not alone. I really don't think it's teething right now but I guess we will have to see. Also he only naps about 2 hours - which has actually led to him doing better at night (beofre 3 that is) I have always been of the school of thought that most of these things will work themselves out with time/maturity. I am just curious to what nights were like in other homes.
 
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