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Whenever a mainstream type person tells me that they are having a baby I always secretly hope it is a girl. Do you ever feel this way?
 

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Absolutely!<br><br>
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Yep, hoping we are getting a new neice in March rather than a nephew here. Sad isn't it? And I almost can guarentee its gonna be a boy too. Just because.
 

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Well, kinda. With the rates how they are, I don't think all mainstreamers are circ'ing. But I do hope that stubborn selfish head-in-the-sand people who cannot be talked out of circ'ing any way shape or form do have girls (or don't have children at all, since it also seems to be an indication that they'll be crappy parents in general. Not always. But usually. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: )
 

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I have an aquaintance (used to consider her a friend, but we, errr, don't have much in common since having children, but we have many mutual friends, so we see each other some) who is very mainstream. She has three girls, and will keep trying until they have a boy (that what they say). I have hoped for a girl with every one of her pregnancies. But the drawback to this approach is that she has messed up parenting (in my very personal opinion), and these poor girls are getting screwed up as well. Yes, I hope for a girl because I know they'll cut a boy, but I feel a bit strange doing it, because I know that in this particular family, those girls are going to grow up not knowing they can do anything other than wait hand and foot on whoever they marry and wear pink doing it.
 

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Yes, I have had that hope many times.. Doesn't usually work out that way, though <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Every single time. I dread hearing they are having a boy.
 

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I was so relieved when I found out my brother's new baby was a girl! I knew that if it was a boy they would repeat the cycle of circumcision abuse and the baby would be circ'd.<br><br>
Sadly, this is my brother who was circ'd without permisssion at the hospital and nobody told him <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: . My father was intact and knew it was better.
 

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YES. YES YES YES YES YES.<br><br>
Moreover, instead of the happiness and joy one ought to be able to feel from a baby boy being born, when I hear that someone had a baby boy it always ruins my day (sometimes more than a day). I can't help but assume he was circumcised, and I simply cannot take any joy in the birth with that assumption. My gut seriously twists when I hear of a baby boy being born. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">
 

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I was so upset when my SIL had a boy. THe poor kid was induced a week early for no reason, is formula fed, would be left to cry if my BIL didn't take care of him, and of course had part of his penis chopped off. The part that really pisses me off is that BIL didn't want any of those things but is afraid to go against his wife<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> (Ok, he can't make her BF because it's her body but he could have put his foot down about circumcision.)
 

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Oh gosh yes! It was even worse with my friend who circ'd her twins (my egg donor babies) found out she was having another boy (her egg this time). It made me so sad because she had said that she wouldnt circ again-assuming that she was using my egg again. But since this one is hers...apparently it doesnt count, so he is getting his penis hacked off too. I love my friend; I never would have donated my eggs to her otherwise. But the woman is such a freaking push over and everyone else-EVERYONE-has told her it is better to circ and on top of that she is Jewish and that just makes her family push it even more. Anyway, despite the fact that she is my friend, I really kind of hope that her boys hate her for what she did, because they will have me and dh there telling them that it wasnt right. At the very least, I am going to encourage them to sue when they hit 18. I guess I should really just be hoping they are happy with themselves the way they are, but...I just cant. I wanna be able to say "I told you so." Of course, my friend is still very deluded and thinks that it is the norm. She will get a bitof a shock when her boys enter school! Oops, sorry, I kind of went on a rant :p
 

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It's a double edged sword isn't it? because these "mainstreamers" aren't going to teach their children respect for the natural body right? So these girls will be the one's everyone is worried about. Those girls, that when confronted with a whole penis, will be totally brainwashed into thinking its gross or dirty.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
I have no respect for anti-intuitive parenting styles<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: .<br><br>
Of course, my most mainstream friends (meaning those that weaned between 18-24 months, instead of after 3 and didn't fully cloth diaper) all left their boys whole!
 

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My BIL and SIL have FOUR circumcised little boys aged 3 months to 6 years. It is very sad. Hubby tried to talk them out of circumcising the last one. They called when they were about to leave the hospital but were just waiting for the doctor to come in and do the circ. Hubby said, "Don't circumcise him. Why would you do that?" but BIL just floundered around and said something about the other three already being circ'd. It's especially disappointing because SIL is an extended breastfeeder and natural childbirther, so I can't reconcile it. I always assume that people I know have circumcised their boys. I am pleasantly surprised if I hear they haven't.
 

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On an up note, a friend of mine who I consider pretty mainstream (she does breastfeed most of the first year as recommended, but she has cesareans for all her births) did go on to have four INTACT sons. In her case, it sounded like her doctor educated her and she decided not to do it. She also lives in CA and from what I have heard docs seem to be more open about telling their patients the whole truth over there. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
I think, if doctors were to step up and educate their patients then it wouldn't be done like it is today. Doctors don't treat it like a serious decision though (even the ones I have met who don't think it's necessary and have kept their own children intact). Some treat it like a decision between a and b, or deciding between peanut butter and jelly or turkey on wheat. I have had some friends tell me that they talk to docs about it, and they just go ahead with whatever the patient wants...and only AFTER they said.."nope I'm not doing that" the docs come out and say "oh, I'm so relieved, circumcision is such a bad thing." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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thats mean. i guess i would be considered mainstream. i do some "chruncy" things like breastfeed, cloth diaper and cosleep but the rest is pretty mainstream.. i would hate to be depreived of a boy becaus ei am not crunchy enoug for everyone here.
 

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I would hate for a child to be deprived of their genital integrity because their <b>parents</b> believed they deserved to make that choice.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">thats mean. i guess i would be considered mainstream. i do some "chruncy" things like breastfeed, cloth diaper and cosleep but the rest is pretty mainstream.. i would hate to be depreived of a boy becaus ei am not crunchy enoug for everyone here.</div>
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I, personally, don't consider circumcision a "crunchy" vs. "non-crunchy" issue. It's about your son's right to not to be mutilated; a basic human right, I would think.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">thats mean. i guess i would be considered mainstream. i do some "chruncy" things like breastfeed, cloth diaper and cosleep but the rest is pretty mainstream.. i would hate to be depreived of a boy becaus ei am not crunchy enoug for everyone here.</div>
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I am far from what is considered crunchy! It isn't a matter of that. I think mainstream is too loose of a word. I know many a crunchy mama on another site I go to that circ. Women who don't eat meat, homebirth, breastfeed and all. But for some reason they didn't put two and two together on this issue. My thoughts are that anytime I meet a prego who isn't receptive to information on circ, I wish that they were having a girl, not because I am so high and mighty, but because I KNOW that circing hurts and deprives baby boys.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">thats mean. i guess i would be considered mainstream. i do some "chruncy" things like breastfeed, cloth diaper and cosleep but the rest is pretty mainstream.. i would hate to be depreived of a boy becaus ei am not crunchy enoug for everyone here.</div>
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well, we don't <i>actually</i> have any control over the gender of their children. Just wishes.
 

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Yes.<br><br>
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