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Well, you could just buy a really old car <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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Totally dig our old truck for this reason. Love it.
 

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We do have an old car w/o and airbag, but it's still illegal for me to have a child in the front unless the back seat is occupied with children. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Dahlia, the law in Washington is backseat "when it is practical to do so." It's technically not illegal to have a kid in the front seat.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Dahlia, the law in Washington is backseat "when it is practical to do so." It's technically not illegal to have a kid in the front seat.</div>
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But, if you have a kid in the front and an empty back seat they can ticket you because it is "practical".
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Please? Cause that'd make life easier for lots of people.<br><br>
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Oh I so agree with this post. It is SO frustrating. Can't we just have an on/off switch for the airbags?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Oh I so agree with this post. It is SO frustrating. Can't we just have an on/off switch for the airbags?</div>
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Some new vehicles do have an on / off switch on the dash.
 

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See, there's also the whole law thing. There should be like a little sign that pops up so concerned by standers and police officers can see that the airbag's been turned off.<br><br>
But seriously, would it be safe to have her seat up front if I could turn off the airbags on that side?? I thought maybe U.S. carseats weren't designed for that or something?<br><br>
Oh, wait, I'd have to use the locking clip since the front belt doesn't switch to a ratchet lock and there certainly aren't LATCH connectors up there. Honestly though, when baby #2 is in the "if I can't see Mommy she doesn't exist OMG Mommy is GONE!!!!" phase in the carseat, I would totally go back to dealing with the locking clip install.
 

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The back seat is always safer for everyone.<br><br>
Some state laws do not allow children in the front seat.<br><br>
If there is absolutely no danger of airbag deployment (I would not trust sensors and don't know about switches) and the seat is properly installed, RFing in the front is not inherently unsafe.
 

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Yeah, it's just a dream. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
Honestly, my car dreams pretty much all end with "forget cars, where's my instant transport???"
 

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I seen a bucket seat in the front seat of a Corvette today at the park...kind of a strange combo to see!
 

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even with the airbag off, the back seat is safer.<br><br>
I sometimes have ds in the front in my dad's spyder, but thats only b/c its a 2 seater and has a key to turn off the airbag. It is VERY distracting to have him right next to me.
 

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Really, what'd be great is either for the front seat to be safer, or to be able to sit in the back seat all the time.<br><br>
Hmm, I need a chauffeur.
 

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Yeah, I hate carseats. But, I do it...<br><br>
I fought and fought to install our radians in a friend's van today. FINALLY got it. I wish it didn't matter what my kids rode in, or how I attached them. I wish I could have a cavelier approach to the whole thing. You know, through the seat belt, buckle it and then buckle in the child. Done. But, I can't.<br><br>
So, it's yank, twist, pull, mash fingers, wiggle, locking clip, mash fingers, push, wiggle, arg, mash fingers, lengthen seat belt, mash fingers, push, wiggle, CLIP, ahhh....wiggle, wiggle...arg...too loose...repeat. Mash fingers, scrape back of hand on carseat in next seating position.<br><br>
And the clingy baby stage. It would be GREAT to have them where they could see me. But then I'd be wishing it was safe to nurse and drive... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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We have a new car and it has a way to disable the air bag, as well as a weight sensor on the passenger side to trigger the airbag. It still mentions in the manual that it shold be used as a last resort only.
 

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Ooo good point. Forget safety in carseats in front seats, someone make a nursing crash test dummy and strap a crash test baby on in a variety of baby carriers! Would've made the whole first year go better.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I sometimes have ds in the front in my dad's spyder, but thats only b/c its a 2 seater and has a key to turn off the airbag. It is VERY distracting to have him right next to me.</div>
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That's what I have, a spyder. It's only got a front seat, but it does have an airbag off switch. It's challenging to get my midwifery bags and a carseat in there, but the car's all paid for, so I'll be doing it, whenever the universe blesses me with a babe to do it with.<br>
My friend did is for a long time with a Miata, so I know it's possible.
 

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I don't know about now but 9 years ago my 2 sons were in their RF in the front seat. It was the normal place for them to be in a car in england. Made driving so much easier! I never had a near miss back then. I had so many near misses when my third was in a rf in the back (born in America) as his crying was so distracting to me.
 

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Someone mentioned "backseat is always safer for everyone". This is not true at all although it's a common misconception. Airbags in US/Canada can't be turned off with key/switch, except some trucks, but this doesn't change the fast that front seat is as safe as the rear seat for children as long as airbag is deactivated. This has been proven by research and real life experience ages ago.<br><br>
Back seat is of course safer for kids in vehicles with airbag which can't be deactivated<br><br>
When we look closer at all the factors affecting safety for children the facts are that front seat is likely safer than the rear seat. There are several reasons for this, very briefly:<br><br>
- Vehicles are safety optimized for front seat use since there is always someone in front seat.<br><br>
- Panel in front of seat is the strongest point in the car<br><br>
- Rear facing in front seat provide far better leg space for children. Many parents turn children way to early due to concern regarding leg space.<br><br>
- Distractions with children in front seat have been proven to be less than back seat<br><br>
- Using front seat leads to more flexible seating solutions for families. Children are basically more likely to sit properly secured in the car.<br><br>
Research is one thing, how does the front seat work in real life? Unbelievably well! The Seedes, considered 30 years ahead in car seat safety, has been using front seat extensively since 1965 for children. A large percentage of Sweden use the front seat. This apply to families of all kinds of sizes.<br><br>
Results are stunning, Sweden has basically eliminated fatalities for children in ages 0-6 years in traffic accidents. This is largely due to keeping kids rear facing until age 4 or longer but I just wanted to point out that despite a high percentage of use in front seat safety is amazing.
 
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