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Just wondering how others in this situation handle testing requirements.<br><br>
We're in NC. DS is just over 3, and we're starting to look more into homeschooling groups, etc. I am still not decided on whether we'll unschool or use a very eclectic/relaxed homeschooling approach. We're also kinda Waldorfy.<br><br>
In any case, my reading of the NC state laws are that testing is required every year. There is no "minimum" requirement that must be met on the test.<br><br>
In cases like this, I'm wondering how mamas handle it. I abhor the idea of standardized testing. I won't care about the results. Should I just have him fill in the bubbles 1. A 2. B 3. C etc.? Does anyone else do this? I've even considered randomly filling in the bubbles myself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:<br><br>
Just curious how others handle the situation. Do you just suck it up once a year and have your child take the test, keeping it low key? Do you sort of find a happy medium by just doing your own thing like telling your child to fill out pretty patterns with the bubbles? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
I'm not networked with a lot of homeschoolers IRL yet and would feel weird asking this question on one of the yahoo groups since I don't know anyone yet, and I don't want them to think I'm nuts <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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They don't have to take the test until they are official homeschoolers at age 7. That's next year for us...and at this point it doesn't feel like a very big deal. I think the CAT can be administered by the parent. A bunch of hsers are getting together to get a discount on the Woodcock-Johnson test at somebody's house.<br><br>
My understanding is that the testing doesn't take long (a few hours) and there are non-reading forms of the early elementary tests. Some parents opt for more testing for their own reasons, but I think it can be pretty painless.
 

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We have to test but the parent can administer it and the results come to the parent and no one else. We do not have to turn them into anyone. It's just for our records. I suppose some chose to ignore this since no one checks it BUT there's always the possibility someone <i>could</i> check. So IMO I rather be in compliance and not risk the trouble or hurting the hs laws in my state.<br><br>
As far as the testing....I agree that I'm not wild about testing at all. I think the schools teach to the test and it's such a waste of a child's mind. However, I would never falsify the test or have my child blow it-it could come back and bite you in the butt somehow.<br>
Since I have to do it I look at the test being a tool for me to use. I can see in a <i>general sense</i> how he's doing and look at the problem areas to see if I agree with their evaluation. If I agree I can work on it and if not then ignore it.<br>
Even if you totally think the results are crap, at least you can see what the test's "standards" are.<br><br>
Basically, I decided not to fight this one requirement since it allows me the freedom to educate my children in the best possible way-at home.
 

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As a pp mentioned, you don't have to test until age 7, and actually I think you have a year to test after you send in your notice to the state (at age 7), so your DS will be nearly 8 before you must admin a test.<br><br>
The only reason not just randomly fill in the bubbles is that nationally standardized tests the results of everyone in taking that level test are weighed when one gets the results. So if your test is really a low score, it will make everyone else seem like they did a bit better. Just one test out of the many that are admin'd won't change scores, but if you're not the only one doing it, it will start to skew things.<br><br>
It will be 4-5 years before you need to do anything, and heck, the law could change by then, or other more child friendly tests may be available that meet the requirement by then.
 

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We are in NC. Don't sweat it. Testing has no more meaning to our son than what flavor of ice cream he wants today. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Just make it fun, take however long you want to do it, and ignore the "results". Many unschoolers just don't even open the "results" envelope which is mailed back. You are just required to keep the one test "on file at the office of the homeschool (your house) for one year", and then you can toss it.<br><br>
There is a lot about testing in the NCUnschooler's yahoogroup files and archives: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NCUnschoolers/?yguid=287472904" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NCUnsc...guid=287472904</a><br><br>
Where are you located? We have many outings with the Explore and Discover yahoogroup around the Charlotte region and there are a bunch of "going to be homeschoolers" who participate.<br><br><br>
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We suck it up and keep it low-key. I'd rather not have her just make patterns and totally blow it off. She may need or want to take a standardized test later to enter a college or other program she is interested in. Actually reading the questions and making an attempt at the answers will help her understand how these tests work. We don't study for the tests, we don't make a big deal of them, just ask her to read or listen to the questions and give the answer she thinks is most likely correct. Then we agree with her that they are stupid and boring, but at least we only have to do them once a year and her friends in public school have to do them 3 times.
 

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We are doing the woodcock-johnson for ds.....it is not a pass or fail test so no need to worry about anything...i think it gives you results as to what ability and level the child is at.....compared to i'm not even sure...so it's just to satisfy the state....dont worry like someone else mentioned it will be sometime before you have to test.
 

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We do the Hewitt Pass test,it's like the cat but not timed.It only tests math and language arts,so it's not a big deal.<br><br>
Somebody enlighten me,we don't have to send in the test scores?I've been sending in attendence sheets and test scores for 18 yrs!I think they called it "inspection" by mail.I figured it kept them from coming to the house<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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we just do the cheapest fill in the bubble test from <a href="http://www.setontesting.com" target="_blank">www.setontesting.com</a> and don't worry about it. I encourage my dc to do their best but not to stress over it. We sometimes do a little Spectrum test prep workbook stuff ahead of time. It just doesn't matter that much. No one really checks to see how your dc do on the tests. They don't really come to your house and inspect you, either. They are undermanned. You don't have to send in the scores unless they request it...and then, from what I understand, you still don't have to send them in. It's voluntary. They tell you it is to avoid a home visit....but no one has ever had a home visit!
 

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Somebody enlighten me, <b>we don't have to send in the test scores</b>? I've been sending in attendance sheets and test scores for 18 yrs! I think they called it "inspection" by mail. I figured it kept them from coming to the house<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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My understanding is that many years ago, they did do home inspections. However there are many more homeschoolers now. The law reads:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">a. Have a nationally standardized achievement test administered annually to each student. The test must involve the subject areas of English grammar, reading, spelling, and mathematics. Records of the test results must be retained at the school for at least one year and made available to DNPE when requested;<br><br>
"For one year after the testing, all records shall be made available,<br>
subject to G.S. 115C-174.13, at the principal office of such school, at<br>
all reasonable times, for annual inspection by a duly authorized<br>
representative of the State of North Carolina."<br><br>
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It doesn't require <i>bringing them or mailing them</i> anywhere, is the common understanding. <i><b>B</b><b>ringing</b> <b>them or mailing them</b></i> is completely <b>voluntary</b>. They "must be made available to DNPE when requested" <span style="text-decoration:underline;">at the school</span>, is my understanding. But, they don't do home visits anymore, lol.<br><br><br>
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We tested in NC for the first time this year.<br>
We kept it totally low key, threw out the timing part, and made a fun coupla of days out of it.<br>
We go the results and into the file they went.<br>
Oh, we used CAT 5 for our test...<br><br>
Where in NC are you? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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saintmom: you aren't required to send in the attendence and test results. They met with 2d year hsers this year to review the records in the hsers' counties. Even that was voluntary.<br><br>
There is a sense among conservative homeschoolers (Spiceline) that if enough people don't send in the records in response to the inspection by mail cards, DNPE might feel they have to do something else to make sure hsers are in compliance with the laws.<br><br>
But the law requires only that hsers maintain the records for DPNE's inspection if asked, not that they send them into DNPE.
 

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Does anyone remember the hoopla a while back about requesting people go down the **police station** to meet with DNPE officials??? Are they really doing that? I remember reading that you didn't even *have* to agree to that! It's all so confusing!
 

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Yes, that was a HUGE Faux Pas!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I don't believe they'll make that political misstep again. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br>
Regarding making all homeschoolers *comply* with their voluntary request to come to a centralized location, they'd need to get an act of the legislature to agree to amend the law. The Homeschooling Associations in the South are rabid about family privacy. I trust that the homeschoolers will be heard LOUDLY by the legislature before anything could be even considered as a change in the law. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
We'll do what is Required By Law. Only.<br><br><br>
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Oooo, I'm not happy that NC requires testing. We'll hopefully be moving from SC to NC later this year and I don't like it! But we'll deal with it!
 

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The one year I didn't send in test scores our hs was "closed". I didn't find this out until I tried to get the papers so dd could get her drivers permit.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: When I called the office I was told I could drive to Raleigh if I wanted them that badly.<br>
I'll probably just keep sending them in since ds will be wanting his permit soon.Wouldn't want to risk being "closed" again.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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Wow, thanks so much mamas. I know we have quite a while until this even comes up, but I've been reading up on the specifics of NC more now that he's getting a bit older. I guess what confused me is I was always under the impression that you didn't have to send in test scores, and then I got on a few of the yahoo groups for NC and saw most people did.<br><br>
Saintmom-If the law doesn't mandate sending them in, I don't get how they can close your homeschool. Do you think it could have been a clerical error?<br><br>
I guess I'm of the mindset that if they don't require me to mail in test scores, I probably won't. It must be the rebel in me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">: Obviously, I have time to figure this out, but your posts were all really helpful.<br><br>
Thanks to all of you. I guess I'll have more pondering to do about this, but for now, that was a big help.<br><br>
Oh, and FWIW, we're north of Chapel Hill in Hillsborough.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The one year I didn't send in test scores our hs was "closed". I didn't find this out until I tried to get the papers so dd could get her drivers permit.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: When I called the office I was told I could drive to Raleigh if I wanted them that badly.<br>
I'll probably just keep sending them in since ds will be wanting his permit soon.Wouldn't want to risk being "closed" again.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:</div>
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That sounds like such a hassle for you all to find out when you relied on the DNPE to have correctly kept your homeschool registered!! This is an unusual event, ime. I'd never heard of anyone <i>choosing to send</i> in test scores, actually. And I'd certainly never heard of anyone finding their school closed for not doing so. I'll do some asking around, but this seems like a clerical error, imo. Was there a change of address, added additional children to the registered homeschool without listing all previously "enrolled" older children, graduated one student and they closed the whole homeschool? I know DNPE tries to update their lists regularly and they do not want people registering in the summer, due to overload of clerical data entry for fall school starts. There is no legal reason to close a school for not sending in test scores according to the legal requirements of the NC Homeschooling Laws.<br><br>
A Registered Homeschool can check on line to see that they are still listed with the DNPE at any time. <a href="http://www.ncdnpe.org/hhh307.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ncdnpe.org/hhh307.htm</a> It is certainly advised in my homeschooling circles to double check the list periodically. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I do know of some families who randomly have found their homeschool not listed. My understanding is that the administrator of the Homeschool is supposed to write to *close* their homeschool, when the last child graduates or returns to public school. So, they are updating and deleting homeschools all the time. A miss-keystroke is just logical, imo. And, I certainly can't imagine that they *want* test scores sent in. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> The size of their office staff has not increased sufficiently since 1985, even though the staff workload, volume of incoming phone calls and the number of home schools statewide have increased from 381 to over 35,000 during that time. The office is already overloaded with keeping up with listing/deleting registered homeschools. They can't possibly have any use or ability to evaluate test scores for 58,000 children in NC who are homeschooling. I know they do send out a yearly post card asking you to voluntarily send in your records, and to list by gender, how many children are enrolled in your homeschool. But you are not required by law to send this post card back to the DNPE.<br><br><br>
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I started hs in 1990.The first year we had to go to raleigh to be inspected.The second year we met at the Wake Forest Library.Never heard anything to the effect that it even could be voluntary.Was my school being closed an error?IMHO obviously.As to why? anybodys guess.I've been steadily graduating one student every four years while adding a new one.I just always put on the post card how many students were in school for that particular year.Usually three to four.<br><br>
Still blown away that we don't have to send in the records.<br>
I've read if they come to the door,show them the records on the porch.Should we serve coffee too<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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I think the least we can do for our public servants is serve coffee and a bun on the veranda. Sounds very civilized. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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