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Many children too heavy for their car seats.....

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190291,00.html

Maybe more manufacturers will also produce more 5 point restraints to heavier weight limits as well.

Dallaschildren
CPS tech/instructor and momma to 2 sons in seats
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Sad, isn't it? Hopefully more manufacturers will make higher weight limit seats. Here is the article from another place, I think it has more to it. I noticed some places are cutting parts of it out.. Crazy..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040300182.html
BTW, Jenny Riggs, who is in the article, is a friend of mine(and uccomamas) from a car seat forum we are members of. Coo, huh?
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Thank-goodness we have a Britax, it's harnesed until 65lbs. Then I fully intend to get another Britax and keep James in the booster with a harness until 100lbs.
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Are you all thinking it is sad that the car seats manufacturers are just now starting to make seats for heavier kids or the fact that kids are getting heavier? BecauseI think it is sad that there are so many obese kids in America. I have a friend with a very tall 3 year old who weighs 41 lbs and is thin. But, it makes me very sad to see all these concessions for fat kids like husky kids clothes, etc. Car seats should be made for all kids up to they fit in an adult seat (12 or 14 I think it is) but kids are too fat in America. The latter is the tragedy.
I think it is disappointing that car seat manufacturer's are just now stepping up to the plate and manufacturing seats with larger children in mind. This is why they are in business, no? To make car seats that are suppose to protect our kids in a wreck? (prior comments are rhetorical Boongirl....not directed at you). Not to mention as a CPS instructor part of my job is to help parents find the best and safest way to restrain their kids. And I teach that keeping your kids in a 5 point restraint for as long as possible is the SAFEST way to restrain them. And then I lower the boom. But you have to spend $ 100-250.00 for the seat to do that....
I am also saddened to read your comments regarding obese kids. Why should there not be products made that accomodate obese kids? Are these "concessions" or compassion? Common sense or patronizing? I got a pit in my stomach when I read your post and I don't know why. Your post came off to me as if obese kids aren't worthy of the same things other kids are. Kids cannot control what is given to them to eat. They are hungry...they eat. They cannot control many things...their PARENTS are responsible to them to help them make the right choices. When was the last time you saw a child with money in a grocery store, shopping? I just...I don't know. I'll just leave it at that for now. Maybe this isn't what you meant.

Dallaschildren
CPS tech/instructor and momma to 2 sons in seats
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I have to be honest... I don't know anyone that has bought a "higher weight seat" for the weight limit. Everyone I know purchased it for the higher harness slots that go along w/ the higher weight...including myself.

I'm also a tech and I agree w/ you dallas ....preaching about keeping kids harnessed and then having to turn around and say ...these are the five seats available to harness your tall 3yo child, and they are all $$$...is REALLY difficult.

Hopefully this new wave of newer seats will help alleviate this problem, but unfortunately the new "wave" is extremely slow in coming.
Yeah, thats the other problem, the seats that are rated to keep bigger kids safe are the most expensive and a lot of people cannot afford a $300 carseat.
dallaschildren, I think what boongirl is trying to say is that it's tragic that obesity is such an epidemic that it has turned into a special market.

I don't think most people even care about car seats where I am.... I have seen 2 and 3yros standing up in car backseats, and people puting babies forward facing in front seats...

fyrfly
I can totally understand where boongirl is coming from. It is sad that we've come to a point of just accepting that children will be obese now days. It's sad that because the obesity rates in children in the US are so high that there are new growth charts to accomodate and those with slender children are now being told that their babies are malnurished and underweight.

I have 2 Britax carseats. I bought them both for the higher weight limit because I wanted to not have to put my children in booster seats until it was absolutely necessary, around 6-8ish.

It's really sad that the news piece that I heard said something like "experts say getting heavier children in better fitting seats will be easier than attacking the broader problem of overweight kids." Yes, lets ignore that problem.

Of course all children deserve the same level of safety and there should be options available that fit all children. However, I think that we need to quit covering our eyes to the problem that these children are overweight and need help before it becomes a lifelong health issue.
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dallaschildren, I think what boongirl is trying to say is that it's tragic that obesity is such an epidemic that it has turned into a special market.

I don't think most people even care about car seats where I am.... I have seen 2 and 3yros standing up in car backseats, and people puting babies forward facing in front seats...

fyrfly
A little OT but your sig is cute. My oldest son told me the other day..."Mommy, why are you going 45 and the speed limit is 40? You're speeding...slow the heck down."
I complied.
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I don't think most people even care about car seats where I am.... I have seen 2 and 3yros standing up in car backseats, and people puting babies forward facing in front seats...
That is a lot like here. Sadly, the current statistic is only 50-60% of people here actually use carseats, the other 40% go unrestrained at all ages. Of the 60% that use seats, 90+% are using them incorrectly! We checked o ver 120 seats on Satuday and while I don't have the total #s, my partner and I did 14 I think and the only correct one was an infant carseat base, she dind't bring the actual seat so we couldn't check it, but I'm sure it would've been wrong too.
We were able to take one seat and have it destroyed though. There's a lot of scary things out there!
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The thing is though don't they make these higher weight seats already in places like Sweden? It's been my understanding that they keep their kids rear facing until around age 4 over there. I know Britax makes extended rfing seats (as in way more than just the 33 lbs we get here in the US) overseas. I think until now there hasn't been any demand. Let's face it: most of the mainstream parenting magazines never mention extended rfing; most ped's don't know anything about it, etc, etc. Parents just never learn about it and therefore never even get a chance to make a decision about it kwim? To most parents hitting 1 yr and 20 lbs is a celebrated milestone. So my point is that although these seats already exist there has been no demand for them here in the US. Now that kids are getting too big for the US seats maybe we'll at least get our higher weight limit seats! And I totally agree that obese kids is a parenting issue, not an issue with the child. But I don't think the pp was saying it was the child's fault.
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Yes, I read an article about this today in our paper. Very sad that kids are getting so much heavier that they have to readjust the market. BUT, thankful that they are doing so.

I have small kids so we're doing fine. But, I think my Britax Roundabout is only good to 40#. So, when my 3 y.o. passes that magic mark, he'll be in a booster.
Rachel, Yes, Sweden has great seats, rfing till 55# etc. There's just no demand here so the US won't test them and certify them. I know several people who would get them, including me!


BusyMommy-Yes, Roundabouts only go to 40#, but AJ is perfectly even w/ the top slots at not even 3, so he's almost outgrown it already (we've just sat in it, we don't have one) w/out being 40#.
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The thing is though don't they make these higher weight seats already in places like Sweden? It's been my understanding that they keep their kids rear facing until around age 4 over there. I know Britax makes extended rfing seats (as in way more than just the 33 lbs we get here in the US) overseas. .
I'm curious: how can a 2 1/2 - 4 y.o. child be rear-facing in a standard car? Where do their legs go?
: My kids are both tall, and thus heavy, though not overweight. They were out of their infant car seats by 6 months (over 20 lbs and heads reaching the top of the seats.) I had them in convertable rear-facing seats until they were a full year, but by then their legs were getting pretty cramped. I don't see how they could have stayed rear-facing much longer even with a seat that was rated for it. If they were smaller they could have stayed rear-facing longer than they did, but I can't imagine even a small 3 or 4 year old having room for her legs. Maybe I'm not understanding how they work?

Besides the cost factor of the seats themselves, there is the cost factor of the vehicle. If you have a mid-size or smaller sedan, you probably can't fit 3 full-size carseats in it correctly. So if a lower income family has a third child, the oldest one has to go into a booster to make room for the youngest one's car seat. This is the main reservation I have about laws requiring car seat use up to 80 lbs. or whatever. I understand the importance of protecting children, but what about large low-income families? They might be forced to buy an older (less safe) but larger vehicle, or not drive at all. It's a tough issue.
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I'm curious: how can a 2 1/2 - 4 y.o. child be rear-facing in a standard car? Where do their legs go?
: My kids are both tall, and thus heavy, though not overweight. They were out of their infant car seats by 6 months (over 20 lbs and heads reaching the top of the seats.) I had them in convertable rear-facing seats until they were a full year, but by then their legs were getting pretty cramped. I don't see how they could have stayed rear-facing much longer even with a seat that was rated for it. If they were smaller they could have stayed rear-facing longer than they did, but I can't imagine even a small 3 or 4 year old having room for her legs. Maybe I'm not understanding how they work?
Most kids just fold up their legs, usually sort of indian style. Jake is fairly tall as well (he's almost 2) and he just props his feet up on the seat. You have to remember how much more flexible children are then adults. Also most people do sit with their legs folded up in some manner. I'm sure a large portion of people reading this right now have at least one leg folded under them while sitting in their office chair. Here's a good link with pics of older kids rfing, that will probably help you get an idea of how it works http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/RFalbum.aspx
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If you can't afford to transport your children safely, you probably should limit the # of children you have till you can afford to do so. It's a tragedy that the kids are the ones that are suffering b/c people can't control their family size or choose not to. We're on our 3rd and will hopefully have a van before the baby comes, but if not, I know that I can safely fit 3 harnessed seats in my backseat.

Everyone be sure to look at that cute kid, AJ, in the extended rfing album like that was posted!
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Originally Posted by boongirl
Are you all thinking it is sad that the car seats manufacturers are just now starting to make seats for heavier kids or the fact that kids are getting heavier? Because I think it is sad that there are so many obese kids in America. I have a friend with a very tall 3 year old who weighs 41 lbs and is thin. But, it makes me very sad to see all these concessions for fat kids like husky kids clothes, etc. Car seats should be made for all kids up to they fit in an adult seat (12 or 14 I think it is) but kids are too fat in America. The latter is the tragedy.

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There are even husky kids clothes now!
I don't think safe car seats can be called a "concession." It is a right of every child to be safe. And I don't know where you have been- "Husky" clothes have existed since I was little, from at least the late 70's on... It is not a new thing. The thing that makes me sad is your attitude that "fat" kids are to be pitied, & are somehow less deserving of basic human rights.

Yes, I might feel sad for the kid who is overweight because his diet consists solely of fast food & soda, but NOT because of his weight- because his parents don't know enough to feed him the proper diet.

Some kids are just meant to be heavier than others. When I was little, I wore "slim" clothes. My youngest sister wore "regular" & our middle sis wore "pretty plus." (That is the girl's version of "husky," btw!
) We were all EBF & all ate the same meals, so...
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Originally Posted by thepeach80
If you can't afford to transport your children safely, you probably should limit the # of children you have till you can afford to do so. It's a tragedy that the kids are the ones that are suffering b/c people can't control their family size or choose not to. We're on our 3rd and will hopefully have a van before the baby comes, but if not, I know that I can safely fit 3 harnessed seats in my backseat.
Well, I hope there's no job loss, illness or other issue in your family that would cause an unforeseen drop in your income.
"There are even husky kids clothes now!"

Ummm....

*I* was in those husky clothes when i was little. In the 80's.

I'm sorry but that would be like saying "They even make plus size clothing for women now!"
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