[Rhonwyn]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/paynte...paynter08.html

I can't believe what happened to this boy and his family! Why aren't the Bush supporters signing their kids up, then we wouldn't see the recruiters stooping to these lows.

 

[Unagidon]

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Why aren't the Bush supporters signing their kids up, then we wouldn't see the recruiters stooping to these lows.

The thing about modern "conservatism", the "neo" in neocon as it were, is that conservatism is now just an attitude and being a "conservative" doesn't really commit one to any form of action.

This is why it is so corrupt and hypocritical.

 

[mermommy]

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Axel's father, a Marine Corps vet who served in Vietnam, died when Axel was 4. Clearly the recruiters knew all that and more. "You don't want to be a burden to your mom," they told him. "Be a man." "Make your father proud." Never mind that, because of his own experience in the service, Marcia says enlistment for his son is the last thing Axel's dad would have wanted.

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This time, when Axel said, "Not interested," the sarge turned surly, snapping, "You're making a big (bleeping) mistake!" Next thing Axel knew, the same sergeant and another recruiter showed up at the LaConner Brewing Co., the restaurant where Axel works. And before Axel, an older cousin and other co-workers knew or understood what was happening, Axel was whisked away in a car.

WTH?

: I think these recruiters need to be charged with harrasment at the very very least

 

[huggerwocky]

Their recruiting methods are really disturbing

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[Unagidon]

The recruiters are starting to act crazy because they are seriously missing their quotas. They are seriously missing their quotas because the red state cowards that supposedly supplied Bush his "mandate" for this criminal war are only willing to be tough when it comes to slapping a bumper sticker on their car.

But then, the fish always rots from the head.

 

[sadie_sabot]

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That mom is awesome and fearless. The kid is lucky to have such an awesome, brave mother.

 

[CanOBeans]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother and now the Navy Recuiter calling my dd, has stopped, because I simply told her not to call anymore......thats more the norm I think.

Huh? I thought you supported the war. Why wouldn't you encourage your DD to go fight for her country?

 

[Rhonwyn]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother Its a little over the top to assume these crazy recruiters are the norm and they're doing these things because "bush supporters" kids aren't signing up. First parent's DON'T sign their kids up, kids decide that for themselves. What makes you think kids from Republican families or (Bush supporter parents) hold their parents political views?....and visa versa. The Recruiter from my sons school was nothing but polite and informative....and now the Navy Recuiter calling my dd, has stopped, because I simply told her not to call anymore......thats more the norm I think. Some Recruiters should probably be fired or demoted.

Sorry, Nursing Mom, you voted for Bush and supported the war. I fully expect you to be encouraging your offspring to sign up. Whether they do or not is their choice, but you got what you wanted from this president so you should be supporting him in his war effort. As should every other Bush supporter, including Babs and Jenna Bush.

I don't support this president or his poorly planned war so I will not be allowing the recruiters to circle my children like vultures.

 

[RowansDad]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother Its a little over the top to assume these crazy recruiters are the norm and they're doing these things because "bush supporters" kids aren't signing up.

More of a norm than you may want to think:

Army Recruiters Stand Down to Refocus on Values
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2...0520_1265.html

 

[RowansDad]

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Originally Posted by Unagidon The recruiters are starting to act crazy because they are seriously missing their quotas.

Indeed, even when those quotas are lowered:

"The regular Army, in a previously undisclosed move, lowered its recruiting target for May, but still came up about 25 percent short of the easier goal, officials said. Had it not lowered its target from 8,050 to 6,700 recruits for May, the Army would have missed its original goal by about 37 percent."

From:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050608/...dc_1&printer=1

 

[EFmom]

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Sorry, Nursing Mom, you voted for Bush and supported the war. I fully expect you to be encouraging your offspring to sign up. Whether they do or not is their choice, but you got what you wanted from this president so you should be supporting him in his war effort. As should every other Bush supporter, including Babs and Jenna Bush.

ITA. My SIL and BIL are big Bush supporters, as are their four strapping boys in their late teens and early to mid-20's. Oddly, none of these chickenhawks are signing up. My SIL was whining to me the other day about the possibility of an eventual draft and she was trying to come up with pathetic excuses why her boys shouldn't be drafted, like two are computer scientists with major corporations, which ought to be a "reserved occupation." Bull. I was having none of it and told her that since they support this unjustified invasion, they should be the first to be cannon fodder.

 

[Jessica36]

Lovely!

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No No Why would the supporters want their children harmed.

*please note that was sarcasm and by no way a personal attack at anyone*

 

[Thursday Girl]

on the news this morning it said that the marine's lowered there quoto and still haven't met it in 5 months.

My brother is a marine, When the whole war thing started up they made him take a move to recruiter b/c he was to valuable to possibly lose in a war. well he got divorced and couldn't get custody of his girls well in the marines so this man who's been in for ten years tried to get out they didn't allow him and now he's being sent to Iraq to capture insurgents. all he wanted was his daughter's. ( and yes my bro is conservative like my dad, but all the women are die hard liberals)

well now the thing is that wehn he goes they are sending him with gun holsters and ammo holsters( i don't know what they are really called) that buckle which makes it real easy to pull out you weapon if you need to (sarcasm) and the bullet proof vest they gave him doesn't stop bullets so my parents are buying him this stuff.

arrrgggghhh this stuff pisses me off. I wouldn't even be so mad f they sent him to afghanistan.

 

[TiredX2]

I recently read an article that while recruitment numbers are down everywhere, they are only getting something like 1/3 of the recruits they committed to getting in the Seattle area.

I'm not surprised.

 

[TiredX2]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother Sorry, but I don't own my child's convictions and political leanings. Why should I encourage her in something that I feel strongly about. She knows my opinion on things, and respects them, but she is her own person. and I respect that.

First, I *DO* expect to encourage my children in some paths (that I support) more than others. That is what parents do.

Additionally, I *know* that you encourage your child in certain paths, so many of your posts have told about doing so.

Secondly you said:

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The Recruiter from my sons school was nothing but polite and informative....and now the Navy Recuiter calling my dd, has stopped, because I simply told her not to call anymore......thats more the norm I think.

So, you DID NOT allow your DD to make the decision, to tell the recruiter to stop calling, etc... you did that for her.

 

[TiredX2]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother (there is always more to the story, some assume so quickly sometimes). Yes, my dd, had talked to this particular recruiter several times, at school, then several home calls. At first she was a bit interested (last year)....But then she told me that that was not what she wanted and next time the Recruiter called (while she was at work) I took the liberty to have a nice little chat with them, and that ended it.

I, honestly, don't care if you encourage your children into military service or not. I just feel like you verbally support children going into the military but then you said *explicitly* you would not ENCOURAGE (yes, perhaps you would support the decision she made herself, but you yourself would not *encourage* it) your child to actually go into the military.

We each have our own view of the matter.

 

[Rhonwyn]

How did your children vote Nursing Mom? I assume a few are old enough to vote.

If they voted for Bush, yes I do expect them to sign up. Do I believe they or any other Bush supporter will? No. It is all very well and fine to support this unjust war when you and yours don't pay the price.

War on terror! That ended when we didn't finish the job in Afghanistan and went on Bush's personal vendetta against Saddam.

Can you say Osama Bin Laden? Just how long has it been since Bush said we would catch him dead or alive?

If all the Bush supporters would sign up and do their duty, the military would meet their recruiting goals. I think I need a new bumper sticker: Voted for Bush? Enlist!

 

[TiredX2]

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother I don't recall explicitly saying that I would not encourage my child to go into the military. I in fact did encourage my son when he expressed desire to go into the Air Force.

Sorry, I thought that *that* was what you meant by this comment:

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Originally Posted by Nursing Mother Sorry, but I don't own my child's convictions and political leanings. Why should I encourage her in something that I feel strongly about. She knows my opinion on things, and respects them, but she is her own person. and I respect that.

 

[hunnybumm]

Geeze, so many anit war people trying to support the war. You are all trying to help the recruiters to enlist people, that is so kind of you. It's amazing how you are trying to put all these "bush supporters" in the line of fire to protect you. And for a little FYI just because someone becomes enlisted doesn't mean they are shipped directly to Iraq. Many men and woman remain behind to run the bases, and to be ready for defense if our country comes underattack.

Yes, I voted for Bush. My DH is military and I feel that is enough for our family, I will not be enlisting anytime soon. Besides the fact that medically I would never pass the recruitment tests. When my children come of age that is a decision they will make for themselves. I don't feel it is my place to bully, convience, or sway them into doing anything they don't believe in.

Now, back to the actual matter at hand. This is one psyco recruting team. I am sure there are a few others like him, but there are many many more who don't cross the line. Just like there are some anit war people that blow up buildings and kill innocent people, does that mean that ALL anit war believers do this? The answer is odvious.

 

[Unagidon]

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It's amazing how you are trying to put all these "bush supporters" in the line of fire to protect you.

I think you have it backwards. The anti-war people don't want any Americans in the line of fire and they don't and didn't believe that we needed "protection" from Saddam Hussein and his tin pot little army. The Bush supporters are the ones who believe that we need "protection", but aside from voting for the war, they have not been at the forefront of sending recruits to Iraq.

Now who am I to tell people to my political opponents to enlist? I'm in the group that thinks that we should get out. And I can't blame Bush supporters for not wanting to go. But it irks me no end that they don't want to go AND they still talk all this tough talk about fighting for freedom and treason on the left. But then, look at the brace of cowards the have leading the charge, from the mass of chicken hawks they elected to government to the squawking yellow bellies who blare these hypocrisies to them all day on the radio and television.