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On Nov 1 there will be a question on the MA ballot proposing the elimination of the state income tax. This was on the ballot six years ago & lost....... but 45% of the people voted in FAVOR of abolishing the income tax. Just curious how other MDCers plan to vote.<br><br>
Personally I am voting to maintain the income tax, the ver idea sounds crazy to me. And I don't think this measure would be likely to pass in "normal" economic times. But I'm concerned that in in the current context the initiative may actually have a chance of being passed.<br><br>
People who I've heard or read about who favor abolishing the tax say they are fed up with Beacon Hill, that they want to send a message to government to cut spending. But how could "Taxachusetts" function without the money from income taxes? Abolishing it would cause chaos initially by decreasing state budgets by something like 71%. How would they even pay firemen and teachers and other state employees? The next step, as far as I can tell, is that the taxes would be replaced with higher property taxes and consumption taxes. In other words, we'd all still be paying, but the taxes would just be more regressive.<br><br>
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My understanding is that income tax is 41% of the state budget. (I also understand that 84% of stats on the net are made up. And I don't feel like looking up the real number tonight.)<br><br>
I agree with you. I think the whole idea is grossly irresponsible. I agree that if the income tax was abolished, real estate and personal property taxes would soar. So would tolls, fares on the T, and "special assessments" tucked into things like utility bills. Tuition at colleges and universities would spike. We could also expect to see usage fees imposed or raised on public parks and recreation areas, and services and programs offered through parks reduced (for example, expect that public restrooms on public property would be locked).<br><br>
While the people supporting this proposition claim that abolishing the income tax would not impact essential services or property taxes, I think that both of those claims are wishful thinking. Public education, public safety, and infrastructure would all suffer.<br><br>
Massachusetts offers a pretty high level of state services to citizens. We have a well-developed public transit system. I won't say it's perfect, but in comparison to public transit in most of the country, it's amazing. We have the best public schools in the nation. We are home to some of the finest universities and hospitals in the world. All of these things take state money, and all of them are worth preserving. Indeed, they are worth improving (the best public schools in the nation could still stand to get better than they are).<br><br>
It's a horrible and irresponsible proposal, and we should turn out in force to vote it down.
 

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I agree. I will be voting against it.
 

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That is true, but there is some confusion around due to the fact that the local budgets can disproportionately rely on income tax, especially school funding. I'll post numbers when I'm not so tired.<br><br>
I'm voting No. There are ways to stand up to waste and corruption in government and work towards more efficiency and less of a need for such a high tax, but there are better ways than this.
 

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Supporters of abolishing the state tax say they would rather pay higher property taxes so that the money goes directly into their community. The problem with this is that affluent communities can sustain their schools and other public resources, but poor communities really suffer. I don't think the kids in Lowell and Lawrence deserve a lesser education than those in Newton and Weston, so I'll be voting no as well.<br><br>
This is not to say that I don't think the state tax income can't be managed better. We need to do a better job holding the state legislature accountable for where the money goes.
 

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I will be voting against it. If most of the state's budget comes from income tax, I don't feel that now is the time to reduce it. Also, the state I grew up in doesn't have any income tax and as a result, everything's poorly funded and their public schools are a joke.
 

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I'll also be voting against it. Although i dont think the governement should have that much control over people's lives - i dont trust that everyone will save that money to pay for school/community things out of pocket. In our society its pretty much the norm that the more you make, the more you spend. I guess in an ideal situation ALL of our money would come back to us, and then we would be responsible enough to save it for...paying for the school bus, paying for after school programs, paying for books and school supplies, donating money to elderly services and town funding....but the reality is that most people wont do this. I think if this bill passes then it'll be our towns and children that will lose out.
 

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ditto all that !
 

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Another No vote for all of the reasons above.<br><br>
This is reminding me that I have got to get my butt to town hall for an absentee ballot!!! (My baby is due right around election day)
 

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I will be voting no, too.<br><br>
I have lived in states that have no state income tax and do not put a priority in public programming because of a conservative majority and states like New York and Massachusetts that traditionally put more into liberal priorities.<br><br>
I'll take state taxes any day.
 

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I'm voting yes. I almost didn't post because I'm sure that it will start a huge flame war, because that's the way these things go down, but my opinion is that we need to stop taking money from the workers, the people who make the state what it is, and start taking it from the consumers. I don't believe in the excessive waste in our government that is supported by our income tax, and I'd like to send a message to Beacon Hill that they need to cut the waste. I'm sure that at least 30% of our state budget is spent on wasteful projects (Big Dig, anyone?), and the other 11% could easily be made up with property tax, sales tax, and stuff like that.<br><br>
I'm tired of giving up a big portion of my paycheck, that I could be using to feed my children with, to the government to waste on social programs that don't work.<br><br>
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
 

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I'm voting no against it. My husband is a school teacher in an already strapped school system, and I can't imagine what would happen if the district didn't have funding. He's an art teacher, one of the areas that usually seem to be the first to go.<br><br>
The situation in NH, as we see it, is a model of what would happen were we to go to no income tax. All of their taxes combined are higher than ours with an income tax, so our overall tax burden would go up, not down, thereby negating the argument that it would put more money in our pockets. This is not to mention the chaos that would ensue if passed. NH, by the way, has HUGE inequities in its educational system because of the way schools are funded there.<br><br>
I'm for taxes if I get an actual benefit for it. Would I like more money in my pocket? Yes, because we should earn more, and our healthcare should cost less, as should our food. We should hold our government accountable for wasteful spending, but cutting out the income tax is NOT the way to go here to do that. It would be hurtful to the entire state.
 

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Definitely voting no here. I'd prefer having functioning schools, fed children, and paved roads to a few extra thousand dollars in the bank. Hopefully the majority of voters will understand that. Apparently even if the proposal passes, the state legislature has some sort of emergency power to override it in order to keep the state functioning.
 

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I'm voting no for all the above reasons. In some ways it's irrelevant because even if it was passed I'm sure the legislature would call an emergency session and vote it back in.
 

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Absolutely voting no.<br>
The passing of question 1 would be terrible to all the schools, roads, health care and especially public Libraries. All state funded programs will be hit really<br>
hard and you know who benefits??? Yep, the rich people because they will<br>
have to raise the sales tax in order to recoup enough funds for the state<br>
police etc. And sales tax is the same across the board so it doesn't matter<br>
iffen you make 700,000 or 28,000 you still have to pay the same tax on a<br>
pack of toilet paper.
 

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Normally Id be thrilled to vote in anything that puts more money in our bank account but I spent so much of my childhood on welfare and I know those are the first cuts they make. Plus if my property taxes go up I'll weep openly. So I guess no then!
 
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