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I just had my son, and I guess I was in dream land when it came to breastfeeding. I never realized that something so natural would be so difficult to learn. It has me really stressed out.<br><br>
Problem #1- sometimes he latches on GREAT and other times he just gets my nipple and it hurts but I let him eat that way because otherwise he wont get on my boob right. I've tried stroking his face with my nipple, i've tried just shoving it in there, I've tried pulling his chin down(and also pushing it up) and sticking my boob in there but he still just gets the nipple sometimes.<br><br>
Problem #2- I am taking my son to his ped this week. I met with him twice during my pregnancy and he seemed really supportive of all of my decisions. I fear when I go in he is going to tell me that baby doesn't weigh enough and try to get me to supplement. What would I do if this were an issue? I feel that it could be because.....<br><br>
Problem #3- He will sleep for LONG periods of time and not eat. Sometimes he eats for 15 minutes, other times he will eat for an hour or more. I just follow his lead. They tell you to wake them up, well yeah right, nothing I try will wake him up to eat, so I fear he isn't eating enough. Today he is 6 days old and he only pooped once, but he had a lot of wet diapers.<br><br>
I might just be borrowing trouble but I really want and am going to breastfeed I just thought I would have some wonder baby who was a champion breastfeeder at birth. I get so stressed, he wakes up and cries, then I try to feed him and he wont stop crying and then I start to cry....<br><br>
I don't really know what I am looking for. Support, Advice... Anything. I feel like I am going to go crazy.<br><br>
PS- My nipples are red at the end. Is there anything I can do to make feedings less painful? Is this normal?
 

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First, you're doing a great job - it's a lot harder than it seems like it should be!<br><br>
All of the things seem perfectly normal - my dd did the sleep for a long time and then eat every 15 minutes thing. I did worry, but everything was fine, and she regulated herself appropriately. I did sometimes get her naked though to try to keep her awake longer.<br><br>
In terms of latch, it got better as dd got a little older. Sometimes her latch was off when she was that little. What you're supposed to do is stop and get them to re-latch properly, but sometimes I just let her nurse because I was tired and she was crying and it was easier that way. She eventually quit latching improperly at all.<br><br>
I don't remember how much she pooped at that point, so someone else will need to address that.
 

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The not enough poops concerns me. What color is it? How big? IF it was a big blow out and yellow, I wouldn't worry. But if it was small and still dark green I would worry. Do you feel you have enough milk? Did it seem to come in? I totally understand about trying to nurse a very sleepy baby. Even wet washcloths didnt work on my ds. My ds seemed to be nursing well, he had lots of wets but little to no poops. He then became extremely jaundiced and lethargic. He did loose too much weight. He had to be on double bili blankets for 1.5 weeks. It turns out he isnt transferring the milk well. And we are still struggling with issues at 6 weeks old. If you think he is loosing you can call the ped office for just a weight check today, they are normally free. If you are very concerned, don't wait. I don't want to see you in my shoes. You can supplement at the breast with pumped milk if necessary. Its better to find a problem now than a few days from now. Even if there is a problem, it doesnt mean you necessarily need to use formula or bottle feed your milk.<br><br>
As for the sore nipples, wait for him to open WIDE. It helps. Put some lanolin on your nipples after nursing. You can also leave your shirt/bra off for a few hours each day. Good luck with that! It should get better soon.
 

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You are doing great!<br>
1- Don't let him suck if it hurts, it <i>could</i> cause more problems for you both later. But you know that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> Try to get it in there while he's still half asleep (before he cryes or vocalizes) so he won't clamp on too fast... But yeah, I had smooshed, lipstick-shaped nipples that were red on the tip because I did the same and let her nurse anyway <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> It didn't cause any long-term problems for us, but my nipples were pretty sore sometimes. I know <i>now</i> that I should have always unlatched her and started over, she would have caught on a lot faster as to the correct way to latch. I couldn't stand lanolin on my nipples, but I smeared it on the breastpads and it seemed to help. My nipples would stick to the cloth otherwise, making it even more painful.<br><br>
2- If the ped tells you this, look for another one. My LC was telling me I was starving my child, while my ped told me: Your baby is eating for calories, some bm has a higher fat content which makes them not want to nurse as often. Even a "smaller than average" weight gain is weight gain, and is probably totally normal for your child. As long as there are plenty of wet diapers and a few poops and the baby is alert when awake, the baby is getting enough. The advice from the ped should be to drink lots of fluids (mother's milk tea rocks) and have a nurse-in where you lust lay in bed 24 hours with the baby... then go back and weigh the baby again, checking all the other problem signs.<br><br>
3- One poop today or one poop since birth? That's the only potential problem I see. What color is it? Is his soft spot sunken? and Are his lips chapped? I had a sleepy baby, too. You cannot wake up a sleeping newborn! As long as everything else looks good, it is no cause for concern.<br><br>
And remember, he should be back UP to his birthweight soon. All babies loose weight after birth. Ask the nurse to give you %- it's a little bit easier to calculate those in your head, rather than being told "oh, 3 oz less than birthweight" which just sounds ominous.<br><br>
You'll be a pro soon- hang in there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Hang in there! Don't give up! You've made a wonderful decision to BF that has amazing benefits for your baby's short term and longterm health. I was surprised to find that BF wasn't as natural as I was led to believe. It is a skill that you and the baby need to work on together. I called La Leche League many times w/questions and for help (18774525324). Is there a lactation consultant near you? You can nurse in front of her and she can help you with positioning, latching etc.<br>
One poop - I share the concern of PPs with regard to the poop.<br>
Supplement - I'd suggest that you do NOT supplement!!!! I have heard from many-a-Mammas that this was the downhill slide to baby self-weaning. PLus, how do you know what exactly goes into formulas?? Your BF is specially formulated just for your little baby. Although, with that said, if you plan to do any bottle with BM try the bottle by week 4 to introduce the fake nipple. I use Dr Browns.<br>
Poor latch-The most important thing that I learned that I wish I had learned earlier on is to unlatch and relatch immediately if it hurts/doesn't feel right. I have had many problems with milk blisters/plugged ducts, which led to mastitis and thrush. AVOID these issues and practice the latch with your newborn.<br>
Sleepy baby- I undress my DS even now at 6 mos. Blowing gently, tickling his feet, sometimes flicking his feet, speaking his name etc to wake him up. You'll get a sense for when your breasts are empty and what your baby's "signs" are for when enough milk.<br>
I set goals for for BF myself when I was having difficulties.<br>
Be patient with yourself and your baby-you'll get it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Poor latch can also lead to the baby not getting as much milk- Dr Newman has a video of a poor latch vs a good latch, and you can see how much more milk the baby would get with a good latch where he's not sucking the nipple.
 

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big hugs mama. It is not easy! An overwhelming majority of women experience some sort of issue with BFing. You can do it, though! Nearly all problems are fixable.<br><br>
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Problem #1- sometimes he latches on GREAT and other times he just gets my nipple and it hurts but I let him eat that way because otherwise he wont get on my boob right. I've tried stroking his face with my nipple, i've tried just shoving it in there, I've tried pulling his chin down(and also pushing it up) and sticking my boob in there but he still just gets the nipple sometimes. <b>I would work on the latch now. I know it's hard, but he will develop bad habits and it's just easier to break them now vs in the future. A bad latch can wreck havoc on everything: your nipples, your supply and your babe. You can check out some videos/pictures of latch also on breastfeeding.com.</b><br><br><b>The way you want to picture it is put the baby's lower lip on yoru nipple first. have him open as far wide as possible and then really smoosh his head/mouth over your nipple. It's a little crazy looking - like you're smooshing him on fast. But you'd be surprised - it's very effective. you know how you have to open your mouth super wide to eat a really big sandwich? That's what his mouth shoudl look like. And when it is at its widest, that's when you take advantage and just get him on the nipple ASAP. You want to do it so his mouth is up and over the nipple.</b><br><br><br>
Problem #2- I am taking my son to his ped this week. I met with him twice during my pregnancy and he seemed really supportive of all of my decisions. I fear when I go in he is going to tell me that baby doesn't weigh enough and try to get me to supplement. What would I do if this were an issue? I feel that it could be because.....<br><br><b>Ask questions. Ask your ped what he thinks he should be weighing. Explain you are committed to BFing.</b><br><br>
Problem #3- He will sleep for LONG periods of time and not eat. Sometimes he eats for 15 minutes, other times he will eat for an hour or more. I just follow his lead. They tell you to wake them up, well yeah right, nothing I try will wake him up to eat, so I fear he isn't eating enough. Today he is 6 days old and he only pooped once, but he had a lot of wet diapers.<br><br><b>OK. I'll be frank: he's not pooping enough at 6 days old. Peeing is fine but it's just showing that he's hydrated and his kidneys are working, which is good! But poop is key that he's getting enough food. You're looking for 3-6 poops a day at 6 days old. They should be seedy, yellow, orange.</b><br><br><b>You'll want to wake him up every 3 hours at least to feed him. I know it's hard. skin to skin - strip him down to just a diaper and take off your shirt. The cool air will wake him up and the feel of your skin will help him too. Just be patient. Keep working on it.</b>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><br><b>OK. I'll be frank: he's not pooping enough at 6 days old. Peeing is fine but it's just showing that he's hydrated and his kidneys are working, which is good! But poop is key that he's getting enough food. You're looking for 3-6 poops a day at 6 days old. They should be seedy, yellow, orange.<br></b></div>
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Thanks so much. Great advice. Today, he has pooped twice. The first poop was a LOT of poo. Should I still be concerned if he poops regularly today?
 

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3- One poop today or one poop since birth? That's the only potential problem I see. What color is it? Is his soft spot sunken? and Are his lips chapped? I had a sleepy baby, too. You cannot wake up a sleeping newborn! As long as everything else looks good, it is no cause for concern.</div>
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No, his soft spot is not sunken in. He has tears in his eyes, he pees plenty and his lips are not chapped. He has had wayyy more than one poop since birth, it was just yesterday he only had 1 poop all day. today he is pooping regularly.
 

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Also, on the latch- I don't think I've ever read this anywhere, but it worked for me:<br>
I never got the hang of "getting the baby to open wide" so i would just position her mouth/lips with my fingers- it didn't take long to get the hang of it.... or she just hated my fingers in her mouth. If DD were latched on and it pinched, I would push down on DD's chin, which would make her jaw open and then kind of maneuver her bottom lip a little bit open with my pinkey- it made her tongue come down more. Sometimes she would suck in her upper lip, and i would just gently push up on it so more of my areola was under her gums. Anyway, did it <i>while</i> she was sucking.<br><br>
And DD never pooped consistantly. Some days it was one, some days 6, mostly she just had no pattern to anything except sleep, ever <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> A few of my friends have just given birth and I dug out DDs baby junk. I wrote down how many poops, pees, nursings everyday for weeks just so i could keep it straight in my head <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> some days she would nurse 8 times, others 15. But she always slept at least 5 hours at night. I was so stressed out at the unpredictability. And she was a sleepy baby for the first 3ish weeks- I was so afraid she wasn't getting enough. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> I'm so glad I'm not going through that again right now <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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My first seriously went almost 12 days without pooping when she was a newborn. It freaked us out, though the ped confirmed that she was gaining well. A gigantic poop today sounds like great news! Was it soft and yellow? Keep it up!<br><br>
Yes, work on the latch. I had some trouble with my first, and what worked for me was to NOT actually break the latch and start over...sometimes then it was hard to get her back on at all. So I'd kind of gently spread her lips wider while she was sucking, and gradually the latch would just get a bit deeper.<br><br>
With my second, things were easier, but I still had a good 24 hours of "What if I can't do this?!" I think it's just part of the breastfeeding rite of passage. Sounds to me like you are over the hump! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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I think you're really tuned in to your baby and your body, and it's easy to feel shaky about it all, postpartum. But it really does sound like you're doing okay! I agree with previous posters to work on the latch (hey, you're learning, he's learning), for your own comfort and for maximum milk for baby.<br><br>
About the poops: I'm glad that it was just one day where he had only one poop -- I read it the other way, first time. Remember that while the standard is at least 3-4 per day in an infant under 6 weeks, each stool is expected to be about the size of a quarter. So teeny poops count, and if you had a huge blowout, you probably wouldn't expect quite as many teeny ones that day, kwim?
 

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Also, on the latch- I don't think I've ever read this anywhere, but it worked for me:<br>
I never got the hang of "getting the baby to open wide" so i would just position her mouth/lips with my fingers- it didn't take long to get the hang of it.... or she just hated my fingers in her mouth. If DD were latched on and it pinched, I would push down on DD's chin, which would make her jaw open and then kind of maneuver her bottom lip a little bit open with my pinkey- it made her tongue come down more. Sometimes she would suck in her upper lip, and i would just gently push up on it so more of my areola was under her gums. Anyway, did it <i>while</i> she was sucking.<br><br>
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Thixle,<br>
Those are some great tips! My DS is 4 weeks old and he used to open wide at first but now I have trouble getting him to do that... I think it's because there are times I've just let him keep the bad latch because (1) my wrists hurt so much that I'm trying to refrain from moving it too much and (2) he won't relatch once you de-latch him and I'd rather him eat than not....<br><br>
I mean, what do I do? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> .... it's either the nipple or my wrist and him eat or not eat... I'm excited to try these new techniques though...
 

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I'm in the same boat with the latch. If I do latch he doesn't want to get back on there, or he just gets pissed at me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
But I tried putting my pinky in the corner of his mouth and gently pushing his gums down and he didn't open as wide as I would like, but he did open more!!<br><br>
I think it hurts a lot too bc sometimes he sucks in his bottom lip... still trying to figure out how to fix that one.
 

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Congrats on your new little one!<br><br>
Dude, I remember this. It was 16 months ago, but I was so right there with you. I could have written your post exactly, probably. Except she's always been a poor sleeper. And my milk wasn't even in yet until the night of day 6. We're going strong now at 16 months. It got worlds easier at 6 weeks!<br><br>
Work on the latch now. Letting him nurse while latched on poorly will just encourage him to latch lazily next time. And it'll hurt you every time he's not on well.<br><br>
Call the LLL, watch videos online, find a site that shows pictures/diagrams of a proper latch, etc. Something will click, something you read will make it all make sense, and you'll be able to duplicate it everytime.<br><br>
I know it is soooo hard and frustrating in the beginning. I mean, it's natural and normal and women have been doing this forever - WTH is wrong with me/baby? Try not to stress though. Baby feeds of your energy - a calm Mama leads to a calm baby.<br><br>
It'll get better. You have to be determined in the beginning, but you will make it work.<br><br>
If the doc says baby isn't gaining, get a pump and agree to supplement with BM.<br><br>
You can gently tug on the skin of baby's lower lip to get it to splay out. It won't hurt him, and it'll make it much better for you. Pulling out the lower lip was the key for me, every time until about 4 months or so when she finally started doing it herself.
 

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Good job, keep it up! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
Latch will take a few days, but it'll come. I just wanted to add that making a "c" with your hand and squeezing your giant milk-swollen boob down while pointing the nipple up towards the top of your baby's mouth will help A LOT! Also, try not to pet the back of your baby's head. It trips a reflex in them to pull away.<br><br>
You sound like you know your stuff. And if the ped starts giving you [email protected] about the weight, ignore him/her! Back in the day, babies didn't get weighed routinely every couple of days, and losing an ounce or two was no big deal because by the time they did get weighed, they were back to birth weight plus some!<br><br>
Just get nekkie and lie in bed all day together. Go Team Breastfeed! (<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> that was our rallying cry!)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You can gently tug on the skin of baby's lower lip to get it to splay out. It won't hurt him, and it'll make it much better for you. Pulling out the lower lip was the key for me, every time until about 4 months or so when she finally started doing it herself.</div>
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Absolutely. And you can use your thumb right in the center of the chin and push down- a just a little bit harder than you think you should. It won't hurt, but it will release the jaw a bit- and if already sucking, it just sucks the boob right in <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> DD had the bottom lip down by 6 weeks, but I've pretty much always had to tip up her top lip and get it out of her gums, even now at 2.5. That's why i didn't think about it sooner, I had totally forgotten because i have been doing it for so long <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Thanks.. great tips! I have a new issue. I realized what makes his latch so bad is that he sucks in his bottom lip and i seriously cannot get him to open wide. if i do anything to separate him from the boobie he gets pissed...any advice for that??? please!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Some women have had luck pressing down on the baby's chin, or gently pulling out that bottom lip (like if you sort of press on the chin and very gently roll the skin down, pulling the lip with it -- try it on yourself!). If that doesn't work you may have to re-latch.<br><br>
If you do re-latch, you could try what my LC called "the hoagie method." What you do is grab your breast just behind the areola and flatten it a little bit -- like you'd flatten a really big sandwich to get it in your mouth. You want the flatness to be oriented to your baby's mouth just the way you'd do with a hoagie. Then you wait for a wide open mouth (as open as possible), and tilt your nipple up a little bit, bring the baby's mouth in close, and sort of flip the nipple down across the baby's upper lip and onto his tongue.<br><br>
You should end up with slightly more areola under the nipple in the baby's mouth -- that is, nipple slightly high in the baby's mouth. Makes it harder to get that lower lip stuck, because you're coming down on top of it.<br><br>
It sounds funny like that, but just imagine yourself with a huge hoagie. Flatten it a little bit, and bring it DOWN to your mouth -- like if you were to brush it from your nose to your top lip before biting in.<br><br>
Anyway, even if he does get mad when you bring him off the nipple, he'll cry, and probably open his mouth up wider! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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