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This case of dog fighting really has me mad, and now defenders of him are speaking out! (I shouldn't find that surprising).<br><br>
One guy, another sports star (I don't know my sports so I forgot his name) compared it to deer hunting! So messed up!<br><br>
Also, I am a member of the NAACP and am disappointed that they are sort of defending him as well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br><br>
It really bothers me when someone has royally done something bad and people still defend the person. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Also, I am a member of the NAACP and am disappointed that they are sort of defending him as well. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:</div>
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Oh no - they can't!!!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: That just makes me sad and angry as well. What they heck are they thinking??? I truly hope members make a big, stinking deal about it.
 

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I agree. This is sick. SHAME on the people defending him!
 

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I actually read this yesterday and then saw it this morning. Funny thing is the NAACP wanted Don Imus head. Yet Vick is an okay guy and needs to get back into society and be acccepted. Uh, no. What Imus said is awful, but what Vick did is Sadistic. Big difference IMHO.
 

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Well than, I guess it would be no worse than Michael Vic hunting right?? URGHHH,<br><br>
Some omments are just not thought out...KWIM?<br><br><br>
That is UAV... the whole situation..IMO<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I actually read this yesterday and then saw it this morning. Funny thing is the NAACP wanted Don Imus head. Yet Vick is an okay guy and needs to get back into society and be acccepted. Uh, no. What Imus said is awful, but what Vick did is Sadistic. Big difference IMHO.</div>
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I personally don't see the connection between the two.<br>
The NAACP (The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), is doing exactly what their organization stands for in each case.<br><br>
There are people who believe as well that certain "considerations" should given based on their background/race/environment growing up, etc.
 

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There's no smiley to voice my anger over this crap. Oh well. I'm sure many of you feel the same way.<br><br>
Of course I was appalled at the whole case, anyway (as any animal lover would...but I also have a little more of a personal connection, as I have 3 rescued pit bulls/pit bull mixes, at least one of which was most likely destined to end up as a fighting dog). Unfortunately, dog fighting is a huge problem in many areas. I'm kind of glad it's getting some real media attention--maybe a first step in remedying the problem? I don't know.<br><br>
But what really gets me about this is this perception by some that there's <i>nothing wrong with dogfighting.</i> WTF? And then likening it to <i>deer hunting</i>?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: OK, now I'm a vegetarian, so I'm not going to out hunting deer--but I see nothing wrong with someone hunting their own dinner, in an humane a manner as possible (as most of the hunters I've known have strived to do) and eating an animal that had a normal, healthy life living in the wild. I feel the same way about someone who farms and raises their own meat (not factory farmed). I really, really fail to see the connection to letting two animals who probably had pretty crappy and tortured lives to begin with destroy each other violently and brutally, and then killing the excess or losing animals by similarly violent and inhumane actions (electrocution, beating, leaving in a dumpster to bleed to death, etc.)...and then <i>having no remorse over it</i>. It doesn't even come close to being the same thing, nope, sorry.<br><br>
And that's what gets me about the NAACP defending Vick. They say he's a "redeemable" person, and that they believe in the redemption of people who have made mistakes in their lives. That people deserve second chances. OK, I could get on board with that--but the thing is that Vick has no remorse, and doesn't even think he's done anything wrong?? Sorry, in my mind that's not a redeemable person. He doesn't deserve a "second chance".<br><br><b>How is a person redeemable if he doesn't believe that he made a mistake in the first place?</b><br><br>
None of those dogs would have gotten a second chance, given that (the ones who survived) they were most likely dangerous and unadoptable. Through no fault of their own. Because of stupid people. So why does this person, who should (in theory <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: ) at least have the mental capacity to realize what he did was wrong get a second chance, if he has not one drop of remorse??<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well than, I guess it would be no worse than Michael Vic hunting right?? URGHHH,<br><br>
Some omments are just not thought out...KWIM?<br><br><br>
That is UAV... the whole situation..IMO<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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The thing is, now that he took a plea deal, it's doubtful anyone will ever know what really happened anyhow. It may be that he gave his "buddies" the money to support them in their hobby, who knows? The co-defendants, in cooperation with testifying of course are getting reduced sentences. So, how much credibility can you put with that anyhow.<br><br>
But either way, it this is shows that Vick had a large level of arrogance, thinking that because of his $$$ and rank/importance in the NFL that he was untouchable.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I personally don't see the connection between the two.<br>
The NAACP (The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), is doing exactly what their organization stands for in each case.<br><br>
There are people who believe as well that certain "considerations" should given based on their background/race/environment growing up, etc.</div>
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Well I have to disagree with you.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I personally don't see the connection between the two.<br>
The NAACP (The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), is doing exactly what their organization stands for in each case.<br><br>
There are people who believe as well that certain "considerations" should given based on their background/race/environment growing up, etc.</div>
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Huh? What do you mean by "doing exactly what their organization stands for"???
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I personally don't see the connection between the two.<br>
The NAACP (The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), is doing exactly what their organization stands for in each case.<br><br>
There are people who believe as well that certain "considerations" should given based on their background/race/environment growing up, etc.</div>
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Sigh. I don't agree with this at all.<br><br>
I also don't agree that dogfighting is equivalent to hunting OR that Michael Vick should be automatically reinstated in the NFL or easily forgiven. What he did is reprehensible and he should be punished if guilty.
 

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Did you see his UA violation friends talking about it? Here's a youtube clip:<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77coI3O9ps&mode=related&search=" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77co...elated&search=</a>
 

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The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) supports the advancement of people of color, which is why they *should* (according to their focus) want Vick to be able to return to play in the NFL.<br><br>
In the Imus case, he made awful remarks at the women's basketball team, which was made up of primarily black young women. So, likewise, the were very strong in their response against him because their job is to defend/speak up for people of color.<br><br><br>
Hope that clarifies.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sigh. I don't agree with this at all.<br><br>
I also don't agree that dogfighting is equivalent to hunting OR that Michael Vick should be automatically reinstated in the NFL or easily forgiven. What he did is reprehensible and he should be punished if guilty.</div>
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Yep, but there are a lot of people out there that do.<br><br>
I too agree that he has commited a felony, a rather creul horrible crime and should not be allowed to return to the NFL. NFL policy I believe does not allow "convicted felons" back in...however, I think there is a way for them to get around it if they push for it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) supports the advancement of people of color, which is why they *should* (according to their focus) want Vick to be able to return to play in the NFL.<br><br>
In the Imus case, he made awful remarks at the women's basketball team, which was made up of primarily black young women. So, likewise, the were very strong in their response against him because their job is to defend/speak up for people of color.<br><br><br>
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Yeah, that clarifies. But I don't think it's right, since it is not focusing on the quality of the individual, but *just* looking at the color of the person. As a member, I have an issue with that (and will be speaking with the President of my division leader for some understanding on this).
 

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OMG, I just came on here to post a link to this article:<br><br><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-marbury-vick&prov=ap&type=lgns" target="_blank">http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns</a><br><br>
I guess someone beat me to the punch. This makes me so utterly mad! Treating animals so badly that they are full of anger and then rip each other apart out of fear/anger/desire to please their "master" is nothing close to someone going and shooting a deer (although I'm not saying that hunting is either good or bad here. That's probably left for another thread.)<br><br>
It just sickens me that someone can say "It's just a sport." Um, no. Sorry. It's not "just a sport." I don't see football players charging at eachother, teeth gnashing, ready to tear eachother apart.
 

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Well I have to disagree with you.</div>
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Actually I was just writing what other people think...not what I think...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> .<br><br>
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