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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think it took me 2 weeks to get through it.</div>
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OK, you are a goddess! I don't think I could do 50-75 pages of it a day. Maybe it'll start going faster once I get to the specific disorders. I'm not quite there yet.
 

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pretty terrible <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/pinktongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="raz"><br>
It's not really the kind of book you could sit and have an enjoyable read from. just start out with browsing through it a bit. I don't think you'd want to take notes from the whole thing - just the MW-related chapters. I went through the contents pages and put a little mark by all the chapters that might be relevant to me (also non-mw related, but relevant to me personally), and read those sections, taking notes as needed, and I skimmed through the rest.<br>
TBH I wasn't overly impressed with the book - too much focus on vitamins and supplements, and specific brands of them; one could spend a fortune on supplements based on this book. the "P" in the title is a bit of a clue <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">OK, you are a goddess! I don't think I could do 50-75 pages of it a day. Maybe it'll start going faster once I get to the specific disorders. I'm not quite there yet.</div>
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well, I do average 15 hours/ week on AAMI... but yeah... my IRL first name means "goddess" in Hebrew, so, you're right! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/pinktongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="raz">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">pretty terrible <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/pinktongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="raz"><br>
It's not really the kind of book you could sit and have an enjoyable read from. just start out with browsing through it a bit. I don't think you'd want to take notes from the whole thing - just the MW-related chapters. I went through the contents pages and put a little mark by all the chapters that might be relevant to me (also non-mw related, but relevant to me personally), and read those sections, taking notes as needed, and I skimmed through the rest.<br>
TBH I wasn't overly impressed with the book - too much focus on vitamins and supplements, and specific brands of them; one could spend a fortune on supplements based on this book. the "P" in the title is a bit of a clue <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"></div>
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings so far as well. I wish that it contained more citations. I would love to know where the information is coming from...
 

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yeah, I way prefer Healing With Whole Foods by Paul Pitchford. (not that I agree with him 100%, but it has way more useful info, IMO
 

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Midwifery is something I think I want to do in the next couple of years. Dh says that I should start now. Has anyone went through <a href="http://www.midwifetobe.com" target="_blank">www.midwifetobe.com</a> ? Which place has everyone gone through?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Midwifery is something I think I want to do in the next couple of years. Dh says that I should start now. Has anyone went through <a href="http://www.midwifetobe.com" target="_blank">www.midwifetobe.com</a> ? Which place has everyone gone through?</div>
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Definitely search the forum for midwifetobe. There have been a number of discussions on it in the past. The cost seems to be a big draw. It is very inexpensive.<br><br>
Do you know what the requirements are for your state? That could make a big difference.
 

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In response to the Orientation reading PNH... you do not have to read the whole book. They say what 4 or 5 chapters? That can be a just the chapters at the front of the book which isn't that much.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In response to the Orientation reading PNH... you do not have to read the whole book. They say what 4 or 5 chapters? That can be a just the chapters at the front of the book which isn't that much.</div>
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I think that maybe different classes have different assignments. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In response to the Orientation reading PNH... you do not have to read the whole book. They say what 4 or 5 chapters? That can be a just the chapters at the front of the book which isn't that much.</div>
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Well and its also not an orientation assignment for nc7. I don't know about the other classes.
 

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It is an orientation assignment for nc7, Sijae. It was part of the Prepak assignments to be submitted with Orientation.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It is an orientation assignment for nc7, Sijae. It was part of the Prepak assignments to be submitted with Orientation.</div>
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Actually it's not. If you look on the enrollee only site you will find a list of the minimum requirements from the prepak that have to be done before requesting the curriculum and that assignment is not included. You can do it now, but it isn't submitted until section 6. I'm already done with my orientation long ago.<br><br>
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maybe it's just my computer being weird, but the enrollee only site is asking for log-in info. Did I miss some change?
 

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An email was sent out to the announcementsonly group about it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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ahhh okay! Gonna check there.
 

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Hello Midwifery students <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Please excuse my thread crashing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> but I need help from any midwifery student who has a moment to spare.<br><br>
For those of you who are IN apprenticeship, or have EXPLORED apprenticeship towards eventually getting one, or are in a program that requires and manages apprenticeships (I've seen some schools that charge the student an apprenticeship fee, then the school pays your eventual preceptor instead of you paying preceptor yourself)....so I guess for all of you here, since you'll all need some sort of apprenticeship/clinical internship--I'm trying to muddle through to some reasonable and clear expectations for apprentices, not an easy task for me!<br><br>
How much do apprentices pay mentors?<br><br>
Is payment in cash, work-exchange (on mentor's midwifery business), or both?<br><br>
If you are expecting to attend a woman's birth, are you required to attend all/most prenatals, or is it up to you how many you go to?<br><br>
What other expectations are you expected to fulfill (dress code, rules of being oncall, expected time/w mentor to discuss/debrief/Q&A when not at visits or at births, any other)?<br><br>
Sending me links, or a copy of your apprentice contract w/your school or your preceptor....anything like that, that you feel comfortable sharing, would be fantastic. PMing me might be best, so as not to derail your own discussions.<br><br>
Thanks so much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Nothing... I don't pay my preceptor and she doesn't pay me now that I am doing primary care (except for clients whom I bring in, I get paid a portion of the birth fee).<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">If you are expecting to attend a woman's birth, are you required to attend all/most prenatals, or is it up to you how many you go to?</div>
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I am required to put in as much as my preceptor does... I think I missed prenatal day 3x last year (all with good reasons, once I was contagious sick and needed to get well before another birth onslaught and another time I had a tire blow-out) and my preceptor missed 3x also when she had a baby. Between the two of us, we had everyone covered.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">What other expectations are you expected to fulfill (dress code, rules of being oncall, expected time/w mentor to discuss/debrief/Q&A when not at visits or at births, any other)?</div>
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No shorts (capri are okay), shoes that cover toes (which means my sandals are Keen), I'm on-call anytime she is, we do an evaluation with each other quarterly, and our contract is annual, although the last was written so that it either ends when I get my CPM or in a year.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sending me links, or a copy of your apprentice contract w/your school or your preceptor....anything like that, that you feel comfortable sharing, would be fantastic. PMing me might be best, so as not to derail your own discussions.<br><br>
Thanks so much. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"></div>
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We often share our files (we've been tweaking the perfect prenatal and postpartum forms all year <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">) but have not done so recently... I don't have copies of our contract only my signed contract. I've had others ask to see it, and will try to remember to ask my preceptor about it soon.
 

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1- There is a midwife (CNM) local to me (practically a neighbor) who is going to go do service in Haiti soon.<br><br>
I'd like to honor her by organizing a modest event to raise money to help her defray costs of trip. She'll be there for a month or so.<br><br>
What kind of event do you think would work and how can it be done with most dignity?<br><br>
Thanks for sharing your ideas.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"><br><br>
2- Ms. Black I can answer some of what you are asking.<br><br>
My teacher and I don't have a contract... we're pretty slow and loose right now. The practice pace is not all that intensive yet. I can imagine a time when we might need to change some of this- especially if/when she starts to pay me to assist/support her at births, as we have discussed. But I can answer you according to what it currently going on:<br><br>
We don't have a dress code, but like my teacher, I dress business casual for prenatals. Jeans are acceptable in that context.<br><br>
I also have a part time job that keeps gas in my car and affords me books and equipment- so it's essential to my apprenticeship that I continue to work. Can't do it without the job. My job requires me to work three days a week, so I have sometimes missed a prenatal day, though I am at most of them. I am ALWAYS at births because even my employer knows that mothers and babies come first on my priority list. I send a memo out to boss/coworkers when I am on call. My teacher is respectful of my financial need to keep my part time job and supports me in that. She tries to schedule things as much as she can, to coincide with my schedule. I love her for that and so many other things.<br><br>
She is so committed to my education that she has said that she won't take on a client who doesn't accept me into the picture- so she's really sacrificing something for me. No money changes hands between us, unless we happen to ride together and I try to make her take gas money or if she happens to pick up the lunch tab... or if I buy coffee, buy her a bargain priced birth video... or otherwise care for her similarly. We just give to and receive from one another and it's working for us to keep things this way, so far.<br><br>
We are both adult enough; mature enough that we will not hesitate to give reasonable respectful voice to issues as they come up. This has already happened actually- at least a couple times- and we've been able to honor one another's points of view and hear one another out. And much to my surprise, I have received her criticisms/observations appreciatively and with grace (I guess I really have grown up some in my old age!). Usually it's just as simple as her needing me to close out a client conversation so we can end the visit- I'm a talker and I appreciate her guidance on that. We often travel quite a distance to get to our clients, so time is a premium and we actually give ours very generously to clients.<br><br>
I have not lost sight of the fact that though we are within a year of one another's ages, she has well over 20 years of experience on me and she's the authority. I never question her in front of clients. I wait till later and take a breath, think before I speak and make sure to approach her respectfully... because she didn't HAVE to invite me along with her to births or take me on to train me.<br><br>
She's a CNM so I expect that some of her clinical choices are governed by the fact of her licensure. I accept that. So far, I have not really seen much that actually gives me pause. In fact, I see that I will learn everything so I can feel good about doing little but be "with women" when I finally do have my own practice.<br><br>
I just have to say that I am deeply grateful. I can see that some more structure will perhaps become necessary as time goes on, but for right now, I feel we are laying some wonderful groundwork for that time. I'm loving every moment.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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I don't have a formal contract with my preceptor although she did give me documents stating what she expects from me and what I can expect from her. We had a 3 month trial to start and a review at that time. I've been considering asking for another review soon.<br><br>
I don't pay her for the position nor do I get paid at this time. I think it's unethical, immoral and a conflict of interest to charge your apprentices for the opportunity to attend births (even worse if you charge them per birth as I've heard about happening). A., the births are not the midwives to give. You have been haired to provide a service to the woman but the birth belongs to the woman not the midwife and the midwife has no place to sell tickets. B., the needs of the apprentice and the needs of the woman are somewhat at odds. The woman needs to have the least possible amount of interventions or interactions in her labor as possible, the apprentice needs practice. If the midwife is selling the birth to the apprentice she has an obligation to provide practice; if the apprentice is allowed the privilege to be there without paying for it she has no right of expectation. The needs of the mother should always come before the needs of the apprentice.<br><br>
If the midwife is providing a full academic course of study in addition to the apprenticeship I think it is appropriate to charge for that but I don't think it's a good idea. I like the arrangement of getting clinical experiences with a midwife and academics from a school. I think you would be exposed to a wider point of view that way.<br><br>
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I am expected to attend all prenatals, postpartums and every birth. She does her best to put prenatals on days I have free and to bunch them up together for me. If I can't make it due to work (I clean houses part time) it's fine but the truth is I want to be at every appointment.<br><br>
When we are on call I am expected to have my phone on and be available 24 hours just like she is. I usually ride with her to births and have only had to drive myself twice out of town and a few times in town because it made more sense. I always ride with her to home-visits and post-partums out of town. She pays the gas, and if she chooses to buy food she covers that as well.<br><br>
There is a loose dress code but there are certain things she doesn't want me to wear. Jeans are ok and I usually wear them cause I am pretty poor and don't have money for clothes. She is a very sharp dresser :)<br><br>
I am expected to never contradict her in front of a client but she is open to discussion and questioning at a later time.<br><br>
We also have an agreement to keep communication open and to deal with issues before they become a problem. We haven't had any disagreements yet though.<br><br>
Our practice philosophies are close enough that I feel very comfortable with her decisions and style.<br><br>
Laura
 

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I don't pay her she doesn't pay me. For the first few births when I was just assisting she covered gas. When I lived in Colorado the midwife I was going to work with I was going to pay her through NCM. Then we moved and I like this a lot better. She is very respectful of me. I have missed maybe 3 prenatal days in 2 years. She works our schedules to we can both attend it works well for our clients. Business casual dress to clinic day and scrub bottoms with a top usually polo shirt to births. I am on call the say as her. I am done when I am done probably 1-3 years from now. We only do 1-4 births a months so it is taking a bit longer but it is perfect for my young family.<br>
HTH
 
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