Originally Posted by JesiLynne
what is worse, the small possibliy of being prosecuted in a state where there is NO regulation or practicing illegally and there being a LARGE possibility of prosecution
That is not how it plays out in real life. In states where midwifery becomes licensed and regulated, the witchhunts tend to stop. The state seems to perceive that the issue has now been "settled" and does not go out looking for unlicensed midwives. If you have any statistics to the contrary, I would be delighted to see them.
|I had HUGE respect for Katie, but now that respect is dashed. She lead this fight, adn I fought along side her, and it breaks my heart at the things she said|
Kate has stated on several occasions and in several places that she was misquoted. Have you considered accepting her at her word, instead of accusing her of "lying"? Having been interviewed and quoted many, many times, I can assure you that misquotes are rampant.
|This was supposed to be a bill that would define legally that DE-CPM's would be safe from prosecution, adnthat it would be volentary . It is no longer volentary. It is forced or you cant work.|
How many first time homebirthers are going to hire a midwife who isnt liscensed????
Probably a lot of the same homebirthers who currently hire unlicensed midwives. And licensure is not "forced", as I mentioned in my previous post. If you don't want to get a license, then don't get a license. You can choose to practice illegally, or you can choose to get a license and work within the law. The point is, you get to CHOOSE.
|What about the other states that have liscensing available who midwives adn yet it has become so difficult to obtain one and all the liscensed midwives have been prosecuted for practicing legally|
"All the licensed midwives have been prosecuted for practicing legally"?? Cite? Or is this just more hyperbole?
|Midwifery is basically illegal no matter what the lawbooks say|
There was a poster here who was talking about this same thing. She was willing to hire an out of state midwife, who was 3 hours away..
How odd. In your previous post, you said that you would never accept that midwifery is illegal. Which is it? Or is it that midwifery is currently legal, and regulation makes it illegal?? What a strange Orwellian world you live in...
|Other than Helen Dietrich who I do not consider to be a midwife, when was the last time you heard of a midwife being prosecuted in WI for doing her job?????????|
You may not consider Helen Dentice to be a midwife, but the State of Wisconsin does, and -- if memory serves -- one of the counts against her is the unlicensed practice of medicine. That same charge could be levied against any other Wisconsin midwife. I kind of doubt that the State is going to consult with you first, to determine whether the suspected midwife is *really* a midwife.
The problem is this -- where there is no legal definition and regulation of midwives, the State can and will define their actions as the practice of medicine or nursing, and prosecute them accordingly. It is a pattern that has been seen throughout the country. There is no legal protection for midwives and midwifery until they are first defined and accepted as a specific profession.
|I did applaud them adn I was one of them|
UNTIL the wording was changed!!!!!!!!!!
And then I watched as it all went down hill
It didn't go "down hill". It was a bill that received tremendous grassroots support, and was the result of a lot of successful lobbying by midwives and midwifery advocates. What happened in WI is the envy of an awful lot of midwives in other, unregulated states.
|To an extent I agree, why not just creat legislation to define midwifery as non medical and say no midwife will be prosecuted for being a midwife|
Because that isn't how legislation works. Passage of a bill is a balancing act, requiring a lot of compromise between individuals and groups who have things to gain and things to lose.
With all respect, your suggestion is a little naive. In states (like IL, though I assume WI is similar) where even wrestling officials, cosmetologists, and nail technicians are licensed, it is unrealistic to believe that midwives are somehow exempt from similiar regulation.
|The medical community now has it's hands in the pockets of midwives, liscenses can be denied, all the time they are denied in MO. They are really benefitting from midwives having to be liscensed.|
What happens when a woman applies for a liscnse and her application just sits in a pile for YEARS
Then that aspiring licensed midwife needs to find out what is causing the delay, and act on it. Perhaps that is an issue that should be addressed if and when it actually occurs?
|What about all the Lay Midwives in WI, some of whom has year more experience than others and now what|
They cant practice as of April 8th, or else they get thrown in jail andfined for something they have been doing for 30 years.
I know your response will be just b/c a CPM
That is harder than it seems, there are costs in volved, time to take off to take the NARM exams, etc......
No, you don't know my response. My response is as it was above -- if a midwife wants to continue to practice as an unlicensed midwife, she can continue to do that. She can continue to take the risks of unlicensed practice, as she has done for the past 30 years (or whatever). The difference, as I have said before, is that it is now a CHOICE, and not a requirement of midwifery practice.
As to becoming a CPM. I do understand the difficulties -- I became a CPM in 1996, and I was proud to do it. But to imply, as you do, that it is tooooooooo harrrrrrrrrd seems a lot like whining.
|What we will see is the Lay Midwives drop out of practice, no new midwives coming in, a severe lack of new apprenticeships, and eventually a regulation of homebirthing|
The door has been opened for the gov't to step in and take over more and more rights
We are all in this struggle to keep homebirth free, and yet we are the ones starting it's demise
I cant remember the author's name off hand who said it but it she said make sure you have a good lawyer
This should have been the model. Practice normally and if you do find yourself in legal hotwater, fight it
there are midwives all over the US fighting to mauintain that they are doing nothing wrong
Why then, did we bow to the preassure , instead of fighting back?????????
You do have a gift for being an alarmist. Where midwives are not regulated, state prosecution has resulted in few midwives, few midwifery students, and lack of access to midwife-attended homebirth for families. I find this statement of yours to be particularly interesting:
"Practice normally and if you do find yourself in legal hotwater, fight it."
Have you ever been in "legal hot water"? Have you ever had to come up with bail money or $$$$$$$$$ for a lawyer's retainer? Have you ever been part of litigation that stretches on for years? That is kind of an odd suggestion for someone who complains about the costs and time involved in taking the NARM exam. You want expense? Try being embroiled in a legal battle.
While I appreciate the sincere passion in your posts, they are based on speculation, exaggeration, and misinformation.