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Can we chat some about this? I know i have multiple migraine triggers and that health is not about just one thing; I have been working at getting healthy from many different angles. Currently gluten is the thing I'd like to learn a bit more about, in what ways it might relate to migraines.<br><br>
I'd love links with more information if you've got them.<br><br>
Currently I'm gluten free, I haven't had a migraine since the last time I had gluten, but that's only been a couple weeks now.<br><br>
I am thinking one reason gluten could cause migraines is because of causing poor absorption of B12, among other nutrients.<br><br>
Another thing I am wondering about is the neurological affects of gluten. I just got a book at the library called "Mirgaine Brain" In it the author explains that migraines are a "neurological illness caused by an abnormality in your brain chemistry."<br><br>
Experiences? Ideas? Thoughts?
 

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Hi Alissa! I don't have any personal experience with migraines, though gluten may have been a trigger for my seizures... which had alot of common ground with migraines including aura and exhaustion afterwards.<br><br>
I'm reading the UltraMind Solution today and ran across this passage... the segment is actually discussing depression but goes into detail about gluten and its effects, and how gluten effects different people differently because of biochemistry and genetics... so in one person it causes depression, in another it causes arthritis and in yet another it causes migraines, etc.<br><br>
"Gluten can cause brain dysfunction by three different mechanisms- inflammation, odd morphine or psychedelic proteins, and as an excitotoxin."<br><br>
He references a recent review paper in The New England Journal of Medicine that lists 55 diseases which can be caused by eating gluten. Might be good reading.<br><br>
He also talks about how gluten contains significant amounts of glutamate (which is an excitotoxin that overexcites and kills or damages brain cells).<br><br>
IDK if any of this helps, but when I happened upon it this afternoon, I thought of your post. I like what he has to say. In fact I haven't enjoyed reading a book this much in a long time.<br><br>
HTH... Lisa
 

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Does he give a specific article reference in the book Lisa? I've searched some online and I find a couple people referenceing "a recent review paper in The New England Journal of Medicine that lists 55 diseases which can be caused by eating gluten" but they don't list the article and I can't find it by searching on the journal's web page. It sounds intersting. I'll check out that book you've been reading as well.
 

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Yeah, here's the reference:<br><br>
Farrell, R.J., Kelly. 2002. Celiac sprue. <i>N Engl J Med</i> 346 (3):180-88. Review.<br><br>
Good luck!!!
 

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Bumping to say: Thanks Lisa <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Also wondering if anyone else has any input.<br><br>
It doesn't really matter if I find a bunch of studies or whatever on it if taking out gluten ends my migraines, but it's just interesting to find them you know? I like putting together the pieces and making sense of my health.<br><br>
So far It has been over three weeks with no gluten and NO migraines- Yay! If I go over 28 days without getting a migraine that'll be the longest I've not had a migraine since starting to get them a year and a half ago.<br><br>
I did find out yesterday that I am deficient in Vitamin D (a well documented source of mirgaines) so that's one more puzzle piece in place.<br><br>
Should this be in Health and Healing rather than allergies?
 

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I'm very interested in this as well. I do not suffer migraines, but DH does - often. I have often wondered if it was related to a food allergy.<br><br>
Convincing him to change his diet will be the difficult part . . . but it sounds like it worth a try!
 

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I sure believe food can be an issue- even if it's not an overt allergy. I really am finding that nutritional defficiencies can contriute to migraines. Common defficiencies for migraineurs include B12, Vitamin D, folate and magnesium.
 

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It sounds like you may have already run across this, I remember a study discussing one of the MTHFR gene mutations being associated with migraine with aura. Our MTHFR genes have to do with folate utilization and it seems like a variety of health issues are more likely depending on the combination of MTHFR genes we've got. Some people need a lot more folate (and sometimes actual folate, not folic acid) than others. I don't remember a whole lot because it's not my issue, let's see if google turns it up...<br><br><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16365871" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16365871</a><br><br>
this is one thing that turned up.
 

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Really? MTHFR associated with aura? Wow. I sure could have used that information 28 years ago. Oh well, I guess I know now. And hopefully T won't have to take the long and convoluted journey that I have.<br><br>
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Lisa- did you wind up getting the mthfr test done for yourself? I remember T was tested, but can't remember if you got tested. And YES- you are really helping start her out on a path towards life long health <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I do get aura with the migraine. When I asked my allopapthic doc about testing for mthfr she had me test for homocystein and folate. Both came back within the normal range (for her standards) But even looking around onliet I found most referrences saying women should have homocystein levels below 10 (mine was 10.1) and my naturopath was concerned and would like to see it much lower. But anyway. All that to say that to that particular allopathic doctor she saw no reason to go forward with the geneitc test. I am still curious about it, but i'd need insurance to pay so I may just have to stick with supplementing with folapro.
 

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No, I haven't been tested yet. T has double markers, and my Dad has one marker. My Mom's family has serious amounts of depression and anxiety and stomach problems. And my Dad's family has alcoholism, bipolar and heart disease. Plus, my husband has a serious tongue tie. I suppose it would be handy to test me for definitive answers, but everything is out of pocket for us and we're broke these days.<br><br>
I don't understand why docs want to test for homocysteine and folate levels INSTEAD of running the genetic test. It makes no sense to me, but then again, not much besides energy work and herbal medicine does make sense at all.<br><br>
I was thinking about you guys this morning... first Thanksgiving dairy and gluten free, yes? I think you already know that those are likely excellent long term tools for your family. And figuring out the vitamin D deficiency is huge! Who would have thought you'd be low in D in Arizona?! High dose vitamin D made such an incredible viable difference for me and T. I'm sure it will for you too. Happy day!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Really? MTHFR associated with aura? Wow. I sure could have used that information 28 years ago. Oh well, I guess I know now. And hopefully T won't have to take the long and convoluted journey that I have.<br><br>
Have I told you guys how much I love this forum?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"></div>
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time for some phone calls to my family... what a timely piece of information for Thanksgiving.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I do get aura with the migraine. When I asked my allopapthic doc about testing for mthfr she had me test for homocystein and folate. Both came back within the normal range (for her standards) But even looking around online I found most references saying women should have homocystein levels below 10 (mine was 10.1) and my naturopath was concerned and would like to see it much lower. But anyway. All that to say that to that particular allopathic doctor she saw no reason to go forward with the genetic test. I am still curious about it, but i'd need insurance to pay so I may just have to stick with supplementing with folapro.</div>
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My folate tested within range, even when I was barely getting any at all, and I saw a HUGE difference by adding a lot more to my diet. (I'm hetero for both MTHFR markers) I think part of it is that the range that they're using isn't necessarily the same range as for a nursing mama (my guess, but nursing significantly ups your need for folate) and they're generally looking for outright deficiency rather than lower than optimal levels. As in, 'is it broken?' rather than 'could it use a tune up?'<br><br>
And yeah, folate and homocysteine levels *should* be decent markers for MTHFR in theory, but there are so many other factors that people aren't thinking of (CBS upregulation, mag status, salicylate consumption/sensitivity, methionine in the diet, amines in the diet, etc, etc), that it's hard to say that they *actually* are. So I don't blame the doctor, but I wouldn't listen to her either <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I was thinking about you guys this morning... first Thanksgiving dairy and gluten free, yes? I think you already know that those are likely excellent long term tools for your family. And figuring out the vitamin D deficiency is huge! Who would have thought you'd be low in D in Arizona?! High dose vitamin D made such an incredible viable difference for me and T. I'm sure it will for you too. Happy day!</div>
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Yes- GF/DF Thaksgiving for us. Well, not for the kids. They wound up having gluten (Nana's is gluten central) and then Michael served them pie and without even thinking plopped whipped cream on top! I only found out later when they were already eating. He felt really bad and kept saying, "I can't believe I put whipped cream on their pie! I was on auto pilot." He i not ready yet to try to keep gluten out of the kids when we are out and about, but is happy to do so at home, and I'm ok with that for now, it does keep them (usually <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">) dairy free and then they still go without gluten for weeks at a time because it often is easy enough to avoid outside of the house too.<br><br>
But Michael and I made it through the day happily with no gluten and my family loved the stuffing I made. My mom made it really great because when everything was served her cousin said, "Mmm, this stuffing is really good." And my mom said, "Yup, AND it's gluten free in case that matters to anyone." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> So, you know, it's just nice to get a compliment like that when they didn't know it was anything out of the ordinary or anything.<br><br>
I'm thinking that the vitamin D deficiency may have a lot to do with gluten (?) Possibly at least since it's a fat soluble vitamin and gluten can disrupt your ability to absorb those nutrients. I am also partial to this theory because I wore virtually no sunscreen all summer and was outside a lot. It also could be a long term deficiency- anyway I got some D drops.<br><br>
More blood work ordered by the ND show that I need more folic acid and B12, she looked at a different thing than just the folic acid levels in the blood. (B12 was in normal range, but she wants me on a sublingual at least.)<br>
So that could be gluten messing with absorption (As we have lots of b12 sources in our diet) or could be mthfr showing up. Either way, I've got folapro (and of course more greens and so on.) All of these nutrients (Vit D, folate and B12) have been shown clearly to be linked with migraines- even in allopathic medicine <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 
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