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Ok, Kaeleb is only selectivly vaxed and dh is joining the military in January. Are they going to require that he be up to date? Is there any way to get around that? Any advice would be welcome!<br><br>
Thanks in advance!
 

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Short answer: no.<br><br>
For more info look at page 10 of <a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?s=&postid=790448#post790448" target="_blank">this thread.</a>
 

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they won't do anything to your son, but your dh is going to get about a zillion vaxes and it sucks. when my dh came home from basic, i got so sick from whatever he was carrying, i couldn't get out of bed for about 3 days.<br>
if he hasn't signed his contract yet, he needs to read it VERY closely and ask about the vax waiver, because he can decline them on religious convictions prior to entering, but once he signs that's it, they can shoot him up with whatever they want. my husband got (in basic training alone): hep a, hep b, flu, pneumococcal, mmr and tetanus. and every year they are required to get a flu shot. and we shan't mention the anthrax he received and the lingering threat of smallpox.<br><br>
but your son is safe. if you are more comfortable with civilian doctors than the military, don't sign up for tricare prime, stick with standard. that's what i do.
 

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if you are pregnant or nursing DH can/should waive the anthrax, smallpox and malaria vaxes for the duration of the pregnancy or breastfeeding. This may not go for all branches, but it's what i've seen for air force, anyway. Also, i dont know about the initial stuff. My DH has been in for a good while now, so it may be different for your DH's requirements. I'm no expert!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
*clarifying
 

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Wow. I hadn't known that before. Most of the moms who have been married to military men have already been caught in the wheel when they come here.<br><br>
this is good to know. Justice2...spread the word, if you can.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by AmandaC</i><br><b>if you are ever pregnant OR nursing he can/MUST waive the anthrax, smallpox and malaria vaxes at LEAST for the duration.</b></td>
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What if I am nursing only part time...relactation hasn't fully occured yet and I am still trying? Could he still waive the anthrax, ect until Kaeleb weans (by then I will be preggo again though <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">)<br><br>
Why /MUST?? You are talking about dh, right and not ds. They don't give babies those vaxes do they?
 

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AmandaC, not sure where you got your information but the Army recently court marshalled a woman for refusing the anthrax vax while she HERSELF was nursing. The spouse of a nursing mum wouldn't stand a chance. His absolute best chance is to take a vax waiver from day one. If I could travel back in time I would have my husband do the same.
 

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See, we can't have anymore waivers than the one that we already have (dependants) or he might not be accepted...there goes the vax waiver.....I don't think that dh is too worried about himself, we were just worried about Kaeleb.
 

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kama'mama? Is that also your experience or you dh's knowledge these days?<br><br>
I'm curious because I know that sometimes stories are told to scare people and I'm wondering...<br><br>
but then again, military life has probably changed in the last year for a variety of reasons.<br><br>
 

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hhmm... There are waivers and there are waivers... if you know what I mean. For example, in terms of enlistment there are the 'set list' of qualifications, some of which are negotiable by waiver. Having dependents, being overage, being overweight, etc... This is clearly one kind of waiver. One that addresses the standard requirements to join. A vax waiver would be different, I would think. In fact it might not even be something you deal with your recruiter about but something you deal with at indov when you get to basic... by which time they aren't letting you go easily! January buys us a little time. Let's research this. Those of you in the military world, ask around. See if you can find anyone who was a recruiter. Or a drill instructor. Or a medic. Someone must know when you would need to exercise that option and whether it is likely to affect your enlistment. Maybe someone can ask a rep of the Christian Scientists...<br><br>
Recruiters throw around a lot of BS. It's hard to sort fact from fiction. If your DH is a recruit that looks great on paper they will bend over backwards, pay him enlistment bonuses, promise him stuff, etc... if he is 'less desirable' they will play hard to get.
 

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Edited, because I misread the first time.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by AmandaC</i><br><b>if you are ever pregnant OR nursing he can/MUST waive the anthrax, smallpox and malaria vaxes at LEAST for the duration.</b></td>
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I don't know about Malaria.<br><br>
Breastfeeding (by a spouse) is not a contraindication for Smallpox vacc, but living with someone who is pregnant or who is under 1 year old is. See <a href="http://www.smallpox.army.mil/" target="_blank">http://www.smallpox.army.mil/</a><br><br>
And, the military does not see pregnancy (of the service member's spouse) as a legitimate reason to waive the Anthrax vaccine. The good news is that the Army, at least, is only giving those shots to people who might need to "use" them. So, if your DH's MOS isn't one that is likely to deploy soon, he probably won't need them.<br><br>
My husband got out of the Smallpox vacc, because I was pregnant when they did his eval for it. However, he's had 3 of the Anthrax series. The first was while I was pregnant (the 2nd may have been, too), and he's due for the 4th shot. Our youngest DD is 6 months old.
 

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Hmmm... maybe it differs by branch then?? Air Force publishes that the sponsors should NOT have the anthrax vax. Malaria i just heard was a no-no too. Really havent seen much on that one though. My DH hasnt even been offered Malaria vax though. He was Anthrax vaxed in January right before a Spain deployment <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"> and i was pregnant but didnt know it, and nothing has happened thus far (thank Goodness!).<br><br>
I cant BELIEVE they court marshalled someone for not anthrax vaxxing while bfeeding!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> Dont they KNOW you can get the vax AFTER youve been exposed and it will be just as effective not to mention the baby would be exposed. idiots!!
 

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From the <a href="http://www.osc.army.mil/ss/sg/anthraxplan.pdf" target="_blank">ARMY ANTHRAX VACCINE IMMUNIZATION PROGRAM PLAN REFERENCES</a> (section 10b, subsections 8a & 8b):<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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There's no mention of anyone who lives with a pregnant woman, and they seem to think that it would be safe for a pregnant woman to be vaccinated, but that it's better to err on the side of caution (to avoid lawsuits), which seems to be their general policy when dealing with pregnant soldiers.
 

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military mommas:<br>
what do you think about signing a waiver and saying no to all vax before joining...do you think that is still possible or do you the person who does such will be turned down?
 

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i don't see how they can turn down anyone with all their limbs and senses.<br>
our military is grossly understaffed, and we are losing people all the freaking time now. reservists are ending their commitments because of the excessive deployments and many of the soldiers who were stop-lossed got out the minute ot lifted. you cannot treat people the way our military has and expect them to stay one minute past their initial contract. i cannot tell you how many talented people i have seen leave the army this year. the good people are getting out, and the people with nowhere else to go are staying in.<br>
if a person has a skill the military needs, i don't think a vax waiver would stop them from entering. however, there may be ramifications as far as deployments and such and which jobs you would be eligible for. i know that people with HIV can still be active duty, but they are restricted to certain jobs -- like administrative assistant. a non-vaxer could be similarly restricted.
 

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MY DS joined the military last year.<br><br>
He has never been vaxed.<br><br>
He told them that vaxes were against his personal, philosophical beliefs and they left him alone -- so far.<br><br>
Time will tell.<br><br>
Keep you all posted.
 

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My other DS told me of a friend at college who had been in the military.<br><br>
His friend was given an experimental vax for smallpox and/or anthrax -- sorry I do not recall.<br><br>
Within twenty-four hours, his right arm swelled up and turned bright red. He was told if the condition did not resolve itself, he would have the arm - AMPUTATED!<br><br>
His arm "resolved", and he got to keep it ( how nice ) but what the h*** was going on?<br><br>
My good G-d, what are we doing to our young men in the service?
 

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I have a first cousin who was in Baghdad this past April for the "Big War". He told me that he was all shot up with all kinds of vaccines. He also told me that he could not donate any blood because of the vaxes.<br><br>
So the military knows that the vaxes are crap. If vaxes were good and healthy, blood donations would not be forbidden by those recently vaccinated.<br><br>
So why don't they just stop injecting that crap into our bodies?
 

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It's sad, but true. Our recruiter told us that because of our dependant waiver we couldn't have any other waivers or we might not get in. Then, there is the possiblity that they will tell us no anyway because we have two children instead of one. The marines are stricter on this policy than any other branch. If the marines tell us no, then hubby is going to try for navy or army. The job he wants is only available in those three branches.
 

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been sworn in? From what I understand, as long as everything is laid out on the table before then, he should be ok. DH was in the Marines for 8 years. Sone mil. doctors are going to be ok with you not vaxing your son, and some are going to "go high and to the right", same as in the civilian world.<br><br>
Once your Dh has been sworn in, there is NO changing the contract. He needs to get an exemption filed as soon as possible, before the swearing in. Is he DEP? Some DEP's are already sworn in, just waiting to go to boot.
 
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