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What do you all think of <a href="http://health.families.com/blog/warm-milk-may-not-trigger-milk-allergy" target="_blank">this</a> article? They took 100 milk allergic kids and most of them tolerated milk when cooked (like in a baked good.) Then they let those kids eat heated milk for 3 months.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">After the third phase -- three months of baked goods that include milk -- the children had smaller reactions to skin tests and a higher tolerance for milk proteins than they did at the beginning of the study.</td>
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Crazy different from strict avoidance. What do you all think? And how do you think it applies (if at all) to dairy intolerance as opposed to IgE?<br><br>
Because of this, I'm somewhat tempted to trial dairy again around Thanksgiving (that will be 6 months since our last exposure) but this time in the form of a baked good. (Cheese is what I've trialed (and has failed miserably) in the past.)<br><br>
*Chinese Pistache has an excerpt from the scientific article in post 5*
 

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Interesting. But isn't pasteurized milk already high-heat treated? I know that over a certain temp, the proteins actually change shape (one theory as to why milk allergies are more prevalent, not that I agree with it one way or the other). And how hot was the "heated milk"?<br><br>
Not that you can answer these questions, it's just what came to my mind <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">:<br><br>
It sure sounds interesting though. . .
 

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my son's milk allergy is pretty mild, and he can tolerate it in my diet and he can tolerate it in baked goods.<br><br>
his blood tests have gone done despite the exposure to both (in my milk from 18 months old or so, in baked goods since a little before age 2). He can't, however, tolerate it as cheese or a beverage, or in things like frosting or filling.<br><br>
I'm sure part of it in the study is the heating, but that more of it is that there is not a lot of milk in things like a cookie or a brownie.<br><br>
i doubt my son could tolerate cheesecake, even though it is also cooked milk.
 

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i can tolerate raw milk cheese about once per week. i can tolerate cultured butter. milk in baked goods is fine generally. regular commercial yogurt gives me goopy mucus in the back of my throat. homebrewed kefir, if done long enough (so it is barely palatable) doesn't affect me at all. i definitely cannot drink warm milk or cold pasteurized milk.<br><br>
i'd be skeptical of these findings. it's a poorly written article. my understanding was that most allergic-style reactions to milk are to casein. casein is really only broken down fully by microbes, specifically Lactobacillus delbrueckii - and then only over a long period of time at room temperature or a shorter period of time at body temperature. maybe i misunderstood the nature of milk reactions?
 

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Here's the Reuters article: <a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/healthNewsMolt/idUKCOL16767520080721" target="_blank">http://uk.reuters.com/article/health...16767520080721</a><br><br>
From the actual medical journal:
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Cow's milk allergy is the most common childhood food allergy. Previously we noted that children who outgrew their milk allergy had milk-specific IgE antibodies primarily directed against conformational epitopes; those with persistent milk allergy also had IgE antibodies directed against specific sequential epitopes.<br>
Objective<br><br>
Because high temperature largely destroys conformational epitopes, we hypothesized that some children with milk allergy would tolerate extensively heated (baked) milk products.<br>
Methods<br><br>
Children with milk allergy were challenged with heated milk products; heated milk–tolerant subjects were subsequently challenged with unheated milk. Heated milk–tolerant, unheated milk–reactive subjects ingested heated milk products for 3 months and were then re-evaluated. Immune responses were assessed in all subjects; growth and intestinal permeability were followed in heated milk–tolerant subjects.<br>
Results<br><br>
One hundred children (mean age, 7.5 years; range, 2.1-17.3 years) underwent heated milk challenges. Sixty-eight subjects tolerated extensively heated milk only, 23 reacted to heated milk, and 9 tolerated both heated and unheated milk. Heated milk–reactive subjects had significantly larger skin prick test wheals and higher milk-specific and casein-specific IgE levels than other groups. At 3 months, subjects ingesting heated milk products had significantly smaller skin prick test wheals and higher casein-IgG4 compared with baseline; other immunologic parameters, growth, and intestinal permeability were not significantly different. Heated milk–reactive subjects had more severe symptoms during heated milk challenge than heated milk–tolerant subjects experienced during their unheated milk challenge.<br>
Conclusion<br><br>
The majority (75%) of children with milk allergy tolerate heated milk.</td>
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Had to look up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitope" target="_blank">"epitope"-</a><br><br>
And check out the latest issue: <a href="http://www.jacionline.org/current" target="_blank">http://www.jacionline.org/current</a> There are some VERY interesting looking articles in there.
 

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On POFAK I've seen references to some big "baked milk" study going on right now. So there should be more (scientific) information coming out eventually.
 

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Intersting. It sounds like something to make my life miserable. The inlaws are the type to see a 3 sec blip on the news and tell me it as fact. Fabulous.
 

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I doubt that it applies to milk intolerance. I've found a lot of people who have IgE allergies to things if they're raw, but they can have them cooked/heated, because it changes the proteins somehow (a friend of mine is allergic to all legumes unless they're heated).<br><br>
I also read recently (off-topic sort of) that roasting peanuts changes those allergens to be worse, and boiling peanuts makes them less. But because peanuts are mostly roasted these days, that's one of the reasons for the "increase" in allergies to them.<br><br>
It doesn't matter what form the food is in for my kids (intolerances). It can be a minute particle of it in something and they'll react.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Intersting. It sounds like something to make my life miserable. The inlaws are the type to see a 3 sec blip on the news and tell me it as fact. Fabulous.</div>
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Yeah. No kidding. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">It doesn't matter what form the food is in for my kids (intolerances). It can be a minute particle of it in something and they'll react.</div>
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Us too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Intersting. It sounds like something to make my life miserable. The inlaws are the type to see a 3 sec blip on the news and tell me it as fact. Fabulous.</div>
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I agree. I'm not mentioning this to anyone in my dh's family.
 

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Chinese Pistache, thanks for finding the scientific article -- I added that in the OP.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Intersting. It sounds like something to make my life miserable. The inlaws are the type to see a 3 sec blip on the news and tell me it as fact. Fabulous.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Yeah, I won't be mentioning this to my in-laws.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I doubt that it applies to milk intolerance.<br></div>
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I was afraid of that.
 
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