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x-posted in breastfeeding challenges ( sorry, I'm desperate)<br><br>
Hi all, forgive me for this long post but I'm trying to give as much info as I can to lay it all out there.<br><br>
my DS turns 1 at the end of this month. I had hoped to continue nursing until he was 2 ( or whatever he wants) but following an early miscarriage and 2 bouts of the flu back to back in the last 2 months my milk supply is just shot. It dropped when I first found out I was pregnant, then came back with a vengence as I started MCing, then dropped again. My flu was so severe I needed to take dayquil/nightquil to function enough ( and not cough while bleeding so much) to care for my 2 children. But now it seems like I'm on the path to weaning my son if I can't get my supply back up.<br><br>
To add to it my son is at that age where he wants to nurse for 10 seconds before wanting to get down and go play/explore, so getting him to sit down and nurse during the day is really difficult, even in a dark quiet room, in bed, or in the rocking chair, the usual spots. Sometimes he really wants to nurse but I guess theres not enough to satisfy him so he signs "milk" over and over again while getting frustrated at the breast until he finally cries for a sippy full of EBM/formula.<br><br>
This past week I've been trying to squeeze in pumping every 3 hours and I'm only getting 1/2 - 1 oz total betwene 2 breasts My breasts are smaller and never quite feel "full" anymore. Thats also why I'm thinking my son isn't staying interested during the way, I guess theres not enough to keep him interested.<br><br>
I had been offering him EBM form my freezer stash in a sippy cup during the day, but I'm now out and had to start using formula to supplement. He likes solids and gets some fruit and cheese 3 times a day when we all sit down to eat. We co-sleep and he wakes up 1-2 times a night to nurse.<br><br>
I'm eating a bowl of oatmeal every morning, 5 fenugreek capsules and 3 blessed thistle capsules 3 times a day, and drinking extra water. It doesn't seem to have any effect.<br><br><br>
At this point the stress of trying to cram pumping into a hectic day as well as dealing with my son fussy at the breast, I'm not sure if theres anything left to do at this point or just accept it as time to wean.<br><br>
I'd love any advice from you mamas who have nursed older babies, is it worth it at this point to keep trying to boost supply or just let him nurse for comfort and see if he weans as the supply drops?<br><br>
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sorry i am naking a cranky sick toddler but this what worked for me (lms after my mothers suicide when dd was 2 months old, then again this december due to a m/c)<br><br>
2 fenugreek capsules 4 times a day - if you don't smell like maple syrup you need to take more.<br>
3-4 cups of goats rue tea a day<br>
pump every 2 hours<br>
hand express just for 2-5 minutes after every nursing (your milk has already been stimulated by baby, hand stimulation is more similar to baby, body will think needs to make more for baby you can collect it with a cup, or just let it run into a prefold)<br>
don't offer milk substitues, only water<br>
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I'm sure there will be other mammas with better and more advise that what I can offer, but I just wanted to send a hug and my 2 cents to you.<br><br>
I also do oatmeal and fenugreek tea, but I find that taking my pre-natal vitamins helps my supply.<br><br>
As for supplementing, I never gave DD formula, but at about 7 1/2 months I started giving her home made veggie broth in her bottle or sippy. That's what I use when I need to leave her with my MIL or a sitter when I go to work. More nutritious than juice and I feel good about giving it to her. (And I feel good about not buying formula.) I make it with potatoes, carrots, broccoli, spinach, onion, celery, peas, chard, etc... what ever is available and she just loves it. I even add spices, like basil, paprika, rosemary, etc... But then, my supply wasn't dwindling. Now your DS is almost one, so perhaps you can lighten up with the formula? I'm not sure and certainly I'm not an expert. Just an idea.<br><br>
Good luck to you.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">To add to it my son is at that age where he wants to nurse for 10 seconds before wanting to get down and go play/explore, so getting him to sit down and nurse during the day is really difficult, even in a dark quiet room, in bed, or in the rocking chair, the usual spots. Sometimes he really wants to nurse but I guess theres not enough to satisfy him so he signs "milk" over and over again while getting frustrated at the breast until he finally cries for a sippy full of EBM/formula.</td>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Have you tried putting a warm compress in your bra a few minutes before you sit to nurse? Breast massage, leaning over and shaking your boobs (really, just like for an infant, ways to induce a letdown!) It really only takes 2-3 minutes tops, and the letdown should be much, much faster.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">This past week I've been trying to squeeze in pumping every 3 hours and I'm only getting 1/2 - 1 oz total betwene 2 breasts My breasts are smaller and never quite feel "full" anymore. Thats also why I'm thinking my son isn't staying interested during the way, I guess theres not enough to keep him interested.</td>
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That's all the milk I've ever been able to pump- but dd can get much more out. This is pretty normal to happen around the first year, even if you aren't sick. Since you have been, give yourself 3 more days of pumping. And don't stress about the amount. You have to give your body a while to recouperate.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I had been offering him EBM form my freezer stash in a sippy cup during the day, but I'm now out and had to start using formula to supplement. He likes solids and gets some fruit and cheese 3 times a day when we all sit down to eat. We co-sleep and he wakes up 1-2 times a night to nurse.</td>
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He's eating enough solids to get by-- I would keep the sippy cup confined to the table, though, and offer it from the tap between meals <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">At this point the stress of trying to cram pumping into a hectic day as well as dealing with my son fussy at the breast, I'm not sure if theres anything left to do at this point or just accept it as time to wean.</td>
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Don't stress too much about pumping! It's not worth it. Plenty of moms get through nursing strikes without it. Have you checked your son's teeth to see if it may be hurting him to latch?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I'd love any advice from you mamas who have nursed older babies, is it worth it at this point to keep trying to boost supply or just let him nurse for comfort and see if he weans as the supply drops?</td>
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For me, it has absolutely been worth it to conciously keep my supply up. DD is about 2.5, and really, I don't know how we would process day to day life without it- and it's only morning, nap, and bedtime.<br><br>
Eat lots of oatmeal (several times a day, especially before bed for night nursing), add fats to your food (butter, coconut oil, olive oil), stay hydrated. I wouldn't pump for more than a few days, but that is me, and my body is just not designed for pumping-- but I have been ill and NEEDED the nipple stimulation from the pump.<br>
The best advice is give it a few days. It doesn't sound like either one of you are ready to wean <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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If he really can't take the slower flow at the breast and you need to supp why not give an SNS a try? That way at least his attention will stay on nursing and you're get the stimulation you need to boost supply.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> it sounds like you've got some great advice and that you are really going to be able to make an informed decision.<br>
Stressing about it will just make it worse. Not to stress you out or anything <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br>
Along with all the great advice of pps for increasing supply, can you try nursing at night as much as possible? I don't know if you cosleep, but that would be the easiest way to do this. It would really help to stimulate milk production during the time that will make the most difference for supply. The biggest bang for your buck. Offering often 24/7 should get you where you need to be to make the decision according to how you and your nursling do. Good luck!
 

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I second the suggestion to night nurse. Your ds will not be distracted by other things like wanting to play, and he won't get frustrated at a lack of milk because he'll be sleepy
 
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