[aaronsmom]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:<br><br><a href="http://www.everystudent.com/au/journeys/nothing.html" target="_blank">http://www.everystudent.com/au/journeys/nothing.html</a><br><br>
Very interesting reads, though.

 

[LinzMommy2Be]

Thanks so much for posting that link. What a great read! Mind Boggling is right! I had to re-read some parts to wrap my brain around and process it. The whole website is fascinating-- I'll be reading some of their other articles too.

 

[aaronsmom]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks so much for posting that link. What a great read! Mind Boggling is right! I had to re-read some parts to wrap my brain around and process it. The whole website is fascinating-- I'll be reading some of their other articles too.</div>
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I definitely had to re-read some of it, too. But it makes sense.

 

[TzippityDoulah]

I think I may have read this before... or something similar. pretty interesting idea. I of course agree, but I don't think it's "convincing" enough to turn die har evolutionists into creationists, if that makes sense.

 

[aaronsmom]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think I may have read this before... or something similar. pretty interesting idea. I of course agree, but I don't think it's "convincing" enough to turn die har evolutionists into creationists, if that makes sense.</div>
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It isn't talking about creationism. Evolution and theism are not at odds with each other. Creationists believe God created the Earth, universe and everything in it literally in 6 days the way we see it now. Therefore, a bird then is the same as a bird now.<br>
However, you can still believe that God created everything and believe in evolution. In that sense, the Creator just "set things into motion". I look at it like this: you can push the first domino and as a result the rest of the dominoes will fall. But that doesn't mean that you pushed each domino individually. You just set the chain reaction into motion.<br>
So, I do believe that a higher power created the universe but I don't think that higher power created each and every organism and non living object just as we see it today.

 

[ledzepplon]

Have you ever read <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325&tag=motheringhud-20&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FShort-History-Nearly-Everything%2Fdp%2F0767908171" target="_blank">A Short History of Nearly Everything</a>,</i> by Bill Bryson? It's not a religious book, but when you learn more about how amazing the universe it, it's hard not to believe there is a God, IMO.

 

[EvansMomma]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It isn't talking about creationism. Evolution and theism are not at odds with each other. Creationists believe God created the Earth, universe and everything in it literally in 6 days the way we see it now. Therefore, a bird then is the same as a bird now.<br>
However, you can still believe that God created everything and believe in evolution. In that sense, the Creator just "set things into motion". I look at it like this: you can push the first domino and as a result the rest of the dominoes will fall. But that doesn't mean that you pushed each domino individually. You just set the chain reaction into motion.<br>
So, I do believe that a higher power created the universe but I don't think that higher power created each and every organism and non living object just as we see it today.</div>
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I agree. That's my outlook. I believe in "Something Bigger" that set all this into motion, but I also believe that we've evolved how science says we have. I just haven't figured out who/what I think started the whole thing yet...lol<br><br>
Neat article. Interesting theories.

 

[TzippityDoulah]

perhaps I gave the wrong impression. I was tired when I responded and i guess I was half hearted about it? anyhow I mean to say I don't think it's such awesome proof to change anyone's though process, but i however did like the article.<br><br>
as for evolution. there are two main types - micro and macro. micro evolution and creatism go hand in hand. macro evolution and creatism do not go so well together for the most part.<br><br>
then again even some people debate that:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution</a><br><br>
(wiki, btw often tends to be wrong about it's broad generalizations, but anyhow...)<br><br>
I didn't mean to sound as if I believe you must pick on or the other. seriously not how i meant it.

 

[aaronsmom]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">perhaps I gave the wrong impression. I was tired when I responded and i guess I was half hearted about it? anyhow I mean to say I don't think it's such awesome proof to change anyone's though process, but i however did like the article.<br><br>
as for evolution. there are two main types - micro and macro. micro evolution and creatism go hand in hand. macro evolution and creatism do not go so well together for the most part.<br><br>
then again even some people debate that:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution</a><br><br>
(wiki, btw often tends to be wrong about it's broad generalizations, but anyhow...)<br><br>
I didn't mean to sound as if I believe you must pick on or the other. seriously not how i meant it.</div>
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With creastionism and macroevolution you DO have to pick one or the other. What I was saying is that <i>theism</i> and evolution (macro or micro) are not at odds. Not all theists (of any religion) and even not all Christians are creationists.

 

[TzippityDoulah]

ok... I'm not sure you're point. I wasn't saying anything about all Christians being creationists... I never brought anything like it up.<br><br>
seriously, I didn't think the article was all that profound to begin with. It was fine... but nothing too mind boggling about it I thought. (not saying it wasn't worth reading, just not life changing is all) I was trying to say that politely. I didn't bring up Christianity at all, <i>you</i> did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">

 

[aaronsmom]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">ok... I'm not sure you're point. I wasn't saying anything about all Christians being creationists... I never brought anything like it up.<br><br>
seriously, I didn't think the article was all that profound to begin with. It was fine... but nothing too mind boggling about it I thought. (not saying it wasn't worth reading, just not life changing is all) I was trying to say that politely. I didn't bring up Christianity at all, <i>you</i> did. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"></div>
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I was just responding to you saying that it wouldn't convince someone to believe in creationism. I don't think so, either. I'm not a creationist, I'm not even Christian. I consider myself agnostic. I just thought it was an interesting article.

 

[BohoMama]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed"> Underwhelming.<br>
Even if they have heard of the Supercollider, the authors of that article seem to have no real grounding in 20th century physics, nevermind 21st-century physics. Fine if they want to present their point of view as Theology; a very weak showing if they are trying to enter a debate with Science, which has moved well beyond such simplistic models of matter, energy, and time in the last 100 years.<br><br>
FTR, many Pantheists, Pagans, Atheists and other non-theists live in reverence and awe of the splendiferousness of the universe without believing that an external "something" "created" it, a belief that may be Deism, Theism or Panentheism depending on how much continuing involvement of the divine being you allow for. The juxtaposition of "Ain't it all grand" and "therefore, Someone made it" is a non-sequitur unless you are already a believer. Again, presenting this view is not an effective <i>argument</i>, it is a <i>description</i> of things from one particular viewpoint.

 

[eilonwy]

I can't say my mind was boggled... it struck me as a rather unsophisticated argument. Cute, though. Might get me, if I didn't have a clue. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">