[LongIsland]

Here are the minutes of the February meeting. The next meeting is in June and I will post those when it comes out in a few months.<br><br>
Please read them - be informed !!!<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-feb05.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/minutes/acip-min-feb05.pdf</a>

 

[Rainbow Brite]

<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"> Lots of new vaxxxes almost ready <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">

 

[Rainbow Brite]

Is this indicating the vax is <b>not</b> working or am I reading it wrong <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/confused.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Confused">:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The pertussis antigen declines so rapidly after vaccination that, with single-serum</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The epidemiology of reported pertussis disease is very different from that of B. pertussis<br>
infection. In the prevaccine era, pertussis was universally present, with recognized cyclic peaks<br>
every 2-5 years. That remains true now, at about every 3 years, even with dramatically reduced<br>
prevalence. Unlike measles, which is now controlled in both disease and organism circulation,<br>
pertussis still cycles, indicating that the organism, while controlled, still circulates just as it did in<br>
the prevaccine era.</td>
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[Rainbow Brite]

In regards to pertussis:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Immunity after infection or vaccination is not</td>
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[Rainbow Brite]

Of course they are promoting boosters as the answer.........

 

[Rainbow Brite]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">A household<br>
contact study in Los Angeles found 42% who had titer rises but still were completely<br>
asymptomatic.</td>
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Hmmmmm.........

 

[Rainbow Brite]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">But once eradicated, polio risks remain from the continued use of OPV.</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">In view of these risks, WHO and its partners decided that OPV use must stop and cannot be used</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">However, the use of OPV has caused cases of vaccine associated paralytic polio (VAPP) by ~9</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Public Comment<br>
Public comment was solicited, to no response.</td>
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They should ask ppl here to comment :LOL

 

[Gitti]

Hep B<br><br>
Well, Dr. Neal Halsey was there... he strongly favored injection into the thigh instead of the buttocks. There is a risk to the sciatic nerve! There you have it. No other concerns.<br><br><br>
We are not getting only one but several vaccines for rotavirus! Even though Rotavirus is not routinely diagnosed in children with diarrhea and testing is not routine.<br><br>
Then they tell us how many kids probably had rotavirus this winter. Date they used was 1980!<br>
(Well, my grandson had it this past winter. He was sick for 24 hours and now hopefully has immunity to it. The rest of the family had it for a week off and on.)<br>
They followed the vaccine for 42 days. 42 days! What an odd number. Makes me wonder why not 43 or 44? What happened on day 43 or 44? A reaction?<br><br>
Human Papplioma Virus:<br><br>
There are 100 types. 40 of them cause mucosal or genital infections. 70% of the infection clear by themselves in about 1 yr.<br><br>
The vaccine is grown in yeast with aluminum adjuvants. It targets girls from 10 y of age on. So far they are only thinking of vaccinating females but may have to vaccinate males to gain 'herd immunity'.<br>
Three boosters ought to do it, they think.<br><br>
They did a study with women who had 6 or more partners. And followed the vaccine for 18 months. Guess what? Nothing happened. Except the injection site of the test group was a bit more reactive than of the control group. And the good new is, the antibody titres were higher than in women naturally infected. (I guess that's a good thing?)<br>
So the vaccine is A-ok. It will protect us against HPV 16 & 18. My question is, what about the 38 others?<br><br>
More studies being done in pre-teen girls. Who offered their kids for that?<br><br>
BTW - <b>Merck manufactures the vaccine AND does the studies.</b><br><br>
Meninccocus:<br><br>
They want herd immunity against that too. So, I guess even all older folks will need a vaccine now.<br><br>
Sorry but I can't take it any more. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wild.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wild"><br><br><br><br><br>
Now I'm going over to my son's house to tell him that he will be getting the HPV vaccine in a few years so we can all have 'herd immunity'. Then I'll call my son-in-law and tell him, too. They are both MDs.<br><br>
Thanks for posting this link.<br><br><br>
:LOL

 

[sweetpeasmom]

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Case-based reporting is very new (6 months), but sufficient to chart illness severity from July to<br>
December, 2004. Overall, 73% of cases occurred in vaccinated individuals, 80% of whom had<br>
very mild rash illness (<50 lesions); another 18% reported 2-249 lesions. Only 4% reported 250-<br>
500 lesions and only 2 cases had > 500 lesions. The mild- to moderate cases (77% overall) were<br>
mostly among vaccinated people, who also had very few cases of severe- or very severe disease.<br>
The state is still exploring why 45% of unvaccinated cases were mild</td>
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I dunno, scratching my head over this one. Why would they explore why 45% of unvaccinated cases were mild? and 73% occured in vaccinated individuals? am I reading that right? doesn't sound very successful vax to me

 

[Gitti]

What page and what vaccine? I'm curious now.

 

[sweetpeasmom]

ugh just closed the document, I was getting bugged eye<br><br>
I think it was around page 33, pox vaccine it was about just the cases in Massacusetts I believe

 

[MindfulBirth]

I see there is still a DRAFT watermark on the pages. I'm sure any "admission of vaccine failure" will disappear on the FINAL copy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:

 

[wednesday]

Very interesting--thanks for posting this link!

 

[stayathomecristi]

Makes me want to uke<br><br>
Can't say any more about it right now. People need to know if a vaccine is not effective (i.e. "73% of cases occurred in vaccinated individuals"). I'm sure they then go on as if it's 27% who are unvaccinated are the problem. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> Maybe they think--nevermind--who the heck knows what they're thinking. All that money rolling in has a way of blinding people to the truth, doesn't it?

 

[LongIsland]

In addition to the meningococcal, it looks like in the near future, we'll have <b>two</b> doses of varicella and a booster for pertussis. The second dose of varicella will undoubtedly be added to the mandatory list for entry to school and a mandated pertussis won't be too far behind. Watch your local public health laws in the future!<br><br>
The recommendation appears to be to drop the 4th infant dose of DTaP (b/c of the extra/unnecessary diptheria and tetanus) and do the pertussis booster in adolesence.<br><br>
What disturbs me most is they will push the pertusssis booster on <i>pregnant</i> women.