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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">TORONTO - A Montreal woman has frozen her eggs so they can be used by her 7-year-old daughter, who cannot have children because of a genetic condition.<br></td>
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I think that's a really lovely idea. I still get goose bumps when I think about the fact that since women (girls) are born with all their eggs... my daughter (as an egg) was with me in my mothers womb and I carried the seeds of my grandchildren when I carried her.
 

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I agree. I really don't see anything ethically wrong with this.
 

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But.... if it's a genetic condition..... and this is her daughter....... wouldn't her donated eggs have a chance of creating infertile children as well? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br><br><br>
It's a wonderful idea but I'm curious as to the biology behind it..... but I didn't read the article. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> It might help if I go do that.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>kama'aina mama</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/7897796"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I think that's a really lovely idea. I still get goose bumps when I think about the fact that since women (girls) are born with all their eggs... my daughter (as an egg) was with me in my mothers womb and I carried the seeds of my grandchildren when I carried her.</div>
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I've never thought of it that way... I like that!<br><br>
I don't see anything wrong with freezing the eggs. It will be up to the girl to choose to use them or not when she's an adult.
 

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it's very nice but creapy in a way.<br>
Those "children" will be her 1/2 siblings.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But.... <span style="color:#FF0000;">if it's a genetic condition..... and this is her daughter....... wouldn't her donated eggs have a chance of creating infertile children as well?</span> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
yeah, that is a good point as well.<br><br><br><br><br>
It's a wonderful idea but I'm curious as to the biology behind it..... but I didn't read the article. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> It might help if I go do that.</div>
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Her kids would be half siblings, like a PP said. Weird.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Her kids would be half siblings, like a PP said. Weird.</div>
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When my mom was trying to have my brother.. I was 22, in college and healthy. She was 42, with questionable eggs. I ended up doing the treatments, and harvesting eggs at the same time she was... long story short, my little brother just might be biologically my son... so what.. he is my mother's son, not mine.<br><br><br>
I repeat, she is his mother. She carried him, wore him, breastfed him, birthed him, worried when he was in the nicu, and has raised him. He is her son. While I might have helped with the whole process... I am in no way more connected to him than any sister who is twenty years older than the baby brother.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Her kids would be half siblings, like a PP said. Weird.</div>
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No more weird than some of the blended families that are going on these days already!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't see anything wrong with freezing the eggs. It will be up to the girl to choose to use them or not when she's an adult.</div>
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Yup. If in 20 years this woman (now a girl) decides that using these particular eggs are "too creepy" then she won't use them. She still has the option of getting donor eggs from a stranger, adopting, or not parenting at all. She may also end up with a female life partner who is able to bear children, or marry/partner somebody who already has children, and as a couple they may choose not to have any more.<br><br>
All the mother is doing is giving her daughter another option, should she decide to become a mother one day.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">When my mom was trying to have my brother.. I was 22, in college and healthy. She was 42, with questionable eggs. I ended up doing the treatments, and harvesting eggs at the same time she was... long story short, my little brother just might be biologically my son... so what.. he is my mother's son, not mine.<br><br><br>
I repeat, she is his mother. She carried him, wore him, breastfed him, birthed him, worried when he was in the nicu, and has raised him. He is her son. While I might have helped with the whole process... I am in no way more connected to him than any sister who is twenty years older than the baby brother.</div>
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Thank you for sharing such a lovely and personal story. Your family is obviously blessed with a lot of love.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I think that's a really lovely idea. I still get goose bumps when I think about the fact that since women (girls) are born with all their eggs... my daughter (as an egg) was with me in my mothers womb and I carried the seeds of my grandchildren when I carried her.</td>
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Thats a really lovely and cool thought!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Right-o. Turners has never been linked to an inherited trait...I think it's a sweet gesture.</div>
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I just recently did some research on Turners because my closest friend in the world, who has known me since the day I was born, was diagnosed with the condition in her teens.<br><br>
She is just about to get married and her future DH is aware of the situation as far as fertility is concerned. I would give her my eggs in a heartbeat if she wanted them.<br><br>
The statement above is true, there is no proof of an inherited trait. It is just something that happens during conception and they really aren't sure why. Alot of turners babies are conceived each year. Something like 1 in 2500. Most don't make it thru the first trimester.<br><br>
The two stories posted about moms and daughters sharing eggs made me feel really good. At least we now have that technology. I went thru IVF to have my DD (with our own eggs/sperm). But my mom always offered her eggs to me (or to carry a baby) if I needed it. Lucky for me my only problem was tubal.<br><br>
But if my DD needed my help, I would gladly give her both of my ovaries if she needed it. I know the pain of infertility. It sucks.<br><br>
My RE was one of the pioneers in egg freezing. They were conducting trials at our clinic when DD was conceived. I considered taking part only for the cost benefits but decided not to afterall.<br><br>
Thanks for posting the story. Very encouraging to those of us out there who need a little help.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Genetic is not the same thing as inherited. I don't think there is any indication that Turners runs in families.</div>
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Doesn't Turner's cause mental retardation? The girl we know with it is definitely mentally challenged and is not capable of caring for a child.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Doesn't Turner's cause mental retardation? The girl we know with it is definitely mentally challenged and is not capable of caring for a child.</div>
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NO NO NO NO NO!!<br><br>
Turners is caused by a lack of a whole or partial chromosome related to the "sex organs"<br><br>
It often causes shortness in stature, chubby appendiges and a potential whole host of issues related to reproduction (from no mestruation to early menopause for those that do menstruate). THe estrogen problem also can strain many other organs (heart included)<br><br>
BUT THERE IS NO MENTAL RETARDATION INVOLVED IN TURNERS!!! The girl you know has other issues as well<br><br>
THis being said, it APPEARS that Turners girls have a higher liklihood of having ADD/OCD and sensitivity issues but no retardation
 

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Aren't Turner's girls often born without a uterus, though? We skimmed over this condition in pathophys and human sexuality, and there seems to be a spectrum within Turner's, but one of the things that my prof emphasized was that, besides not really having ovaries (more like bands of inert tissue instead), that is like the *least* of their reproductive problems. Even if a Turner's girl has a uterus, she does not have the hormones neccesary to sustain a pregnancy.<br><br>
Because, truly, people with Turner's syndrome are like... default humans. Males = XY, Females = XX, Turner's girls = X and nothing. They are missing an autosome (sex chromosome). I don't want to say that Turner's girls are genderless, (because they look distinctly more female than male) but their experience- physically, biologically, genetically - is markedly different from "female" or "male".<br><br>
I'm not trying to derail the thread, but I think that it is a valid point, that this child will probably not be able to just use her mother's eggs to achieve and sustain her own pregnancy. She would probably have to find a surrogate. Which, IMHO, is a whole different ball of wax.
 

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One assumes her mother would know if she doesn't have a uterus. Which, I agree, would make the situation much more complicated.
 
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