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So bottle propping is neglect (duh) - its too bad so many moms do it. I wish they all could read that article and imagine their child suffering like that one did <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Poor baby.<br><br>
I DO however see a difference between what this mother did and what many "bottle proppers" do- primarily being near the baby being fed. If the baby's sitting in the carseat in the shopping cart with a bottle propped, and starts to choke, the mother IS right there to help the baby.<br><br>
I'm feeling very torn about the woman being pg and not being allowed to keep her new baby. On one hand, she let a baby DIE and is lucky not to be in jail right now.<br><br>
OTOH, she's suffered the loss of two children- one through death and one through "the system", as I imagine she felt very pressured to relinquish her parental rights to her other child after her baby's death- why can't she have a chance at normal motherhood this time? Don't you think she's going to be super-duper cautious this time around?
 

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Strange... the same government that allows people to produce and market bottle propping devices with no infringement at all, prosecutes someone for doing it with a home-made device? Not on.<br><br>
I think it is horrible, but I honestly believe the saturation of the marketplace with bottlepropping devices could lead someone, especially someone mentally ill at the time to think it is safe.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Strange... the same government that allows people to produce and market bottle propping devices with no infringement at all, prosecutes someone for doing it with a home-made device? Not on.<br><br>
I think it is horrible, but I honestly believe the saturation of the marketplace with bottlepropping devices could lead someone, especially someone mentally ill at the time to think it is safe.</div>
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This is a very sad story. I don't know what to think! I never proped my son's bottle, but he could hold it on his own by the time he was 4 mos old. I have never seen marketed baby bottle proppers either, although I never really looked for one either.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Strange... the same government that allows people to produce and market bottle propping devices with no infringement at all, prosecutes someone for doing it with a home-made device? Not on.<br><br>
I think it is horrible, but I honestly believe the saturation of the marketplace with bottlepropping devices could lead someone, especially someone mentally ill at the time to think it is safe.</div>
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Yep.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl">: I cant imagine dieing from drowning in the substance that suppose to aid you in growing big and healthy.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bawling.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bawl">:
 

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She hadn't been charged with the baby's death...the first babe died in 2005 and she was raising her second child. It was when she was reported for neglect with the second child that the death of the first child was revisited, and the third child became a concern.<br><br>
Sad all around.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is a very sad story. I don't know what to think! I never proped my son's bottle, but he could hold it on his own by the time he was 4 mos old. I have never seen marketed baby bottle proppers either, although I never really looked for one either.</div>
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On the lactivism board we just got one removed from Target (at least online) . It was a pillow with a hole for a bottle. I know tons of people who ust prop with pillows, too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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She lost her babies. How sad for all of them.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Poor babies. Poor mom. I wish we had a better social system to support moms.
 

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I think there is more to this story. They just did it this way so she can at least have suppervised visit with the new baby. She has given up one child, accidently killed another, there is history of mental illness. Andrea Yates is a prime example of a person that needs more help through the early stages and mental health monitoring. No it isn't perfect and kinds of intrusive but maybe what this mother needs to be a successful parent.
 

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Is this what makes people think she is mentally ill?<br><br><i>"Detectives' reports suggested the infant had been propped between pillows and her bottle held in place in her mouth with ribbons and a belt from a robe that were tied to crib railings."</i>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Strange... the same government that allows people to produce and market bottle propping devices with no infringement at all, prosecutes someone for doing it with a home-made device? Not on.<br><br>
I think it is horrible, but I honestly believe the saturation of the marketplace with bottlepropping devices could lead someone, especially someone mentally ill at the time to think it is safe.</div>
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Yes, I agree it does make for a double standard. I wonder if those bottle propping devices come with warning labels, such as "never leave a child alone with bottle in device"? It's common sense not to leave a baby alone with a bottle unless he/she is mobile and can sit up on his/her own, but even then it's not a good idea (at least in my book), and you wouldn't need a device if a baby can hold his/her own bottle.<br><br>
I think the point of this is that she left the baby alone while eating, and that is why the baby died. Obviously there are other issues on the table if her other child was removed for neglect, and there has been some mental health issues.
 

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it was a very common practice in the daycare i worked at <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Strange... the same government that allows people to produce and market bottle propping devices with no infringement at all, prosecutes someone for doing it with a home-made device? Not on.<br><br>
I think it is horrible, but I honestly believe the saturation of the marketplace with bottlepropping devices could lead someone, especially someone mentally ill at the time to think it is safe.</div>
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So sad. Why????<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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Poor woman and babies. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: Obviously she has mental problems but to give birth to your child knowing you will never see the baby? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br>
At any rate, there is a huge, huge difference between what this woman did (essentially tying a bottle to her babies mouth in a crib unattended) and bottle propping practices others use. For one the child can easily get away from a bottle with propping. For two the child isn't being placed in a crib and left. There were a few times I propped one bottle to hold his brother. No, I could not pump, feed one baby listening to his brother scream, and then feed the other while the first baby screamed, and then turn around and pump again. And it would have been that way. I usually didn't bottle prop and didn't have a device but when my boys were little and wanted fed at the same time (which was almost always) I did a lot of holding both bottles while they sat in bouncies in front of me. I think in some ways bottle proping would have been better as someone would have been held and cuddled.<br><br>
I don't think the devices themselves are evil or only used by uncaring, unthinking, whatever you want to come up with mothers.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, I agree it does make for a double standard. I wonder if those bottle propping devices come with warning labels, such as "never leave a child alone with bottle in device"? It's common sense not to leave a baby alone with a bottle unless he/she is mobile and can sit up on his/her own, but even then it's not a good idea (at least in my book), and you wouldn't need a device if a baby can hold his/her own bottle.<br><br>
I think the point of this is that she left the baby alone while eating, and that is why the baby died. Obviously there are other issues on the table if her other child was removed for neglect, and there has been some mental health issues.</div>
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Does a large amount of society still read the warning labels now a days though? I can't say that I read them very closely and typically do so out of boredom (a hairdryer warning label includes 'do not use while taking a shower' ... I mean, c'mon.)<br><br>
I've never used bottle propping devices- never would. But in regards to the warning labels... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug"> most people only see the commercial and buy it, a lot of people don't even seem to read directions anymore. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 
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