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Please don't move this to Toddlers because I cannot just wait until he is over 3 which seems to be the common opinion there.
Here is the situation: DS must be completely potty trained to enter Montessori in the fall. His sister is completing her 3rd year and I absolutely love it.
I started to train ds the way our teacher recommended (taking him to the potty very often, putting him in underwear) Well he went in the underwear everytime. Now DH says that I did it wrong and DS should be naked. Tried that today and he keeps saying he wants his pants on. He will pee on the potty if we sit him there but would also go anywhere else. Well he found the underwear and figured out how to put it on himself since I wouldn't and guess where he pooped?? I am at my wits end and now feel like it is a battle and don't want to make it worse. He will be 3 6/29 and I know we have time before school but now that I started it I feel like we have to stick with it. Please help I am going insane stuck at home all day just waiting for poop!
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My #4 child turns 3 next month and needs to be potty trained in advance of starting M school in August. I'm not looking forward to it. I'm waiting until school ends, around the time he turns 3 (I'm due with #6 mid-summer, or I'd consider waiting another month after that - but I'll be uncomfortable as it is chasing after a naked peeing toddler with my giant belly).

With my first three, we were successful with the cold-turkey naked method - no diapers, no underwear, no pants. With #1, she is very strong-willed - it was a couple weeks before school started and she was 3y5m. We spent a lot of time in the backyard with the plastic potty. With #2 and #3, it was spring break (cold outside; hardwood floors inside. Apparently, an antelope was residing with us during that time, according to the floor). For them it was about learning the sensations and getting over the fear of pooping in the potty.

With all three of them, it took about a week for them to completely get it. We also used rewards (m&ms, etc.). We more or less went nowhere for that week - I didn't want to risk driving in the car.

Potty training is one of my least favorite phases. The one who will be trained this summer is currently in a montessori toddler program, and they have a small potty in the classroom. He's talked about sitting on the potty, but he thinks it's too big and he doesn't mention it until just after he pooped in his diaper. Guess I better get out the little plastic one (my other kids preferred the rings that go onto the big toilet). I've been giving him plenty of warning and will ramp it up as we get closer ("starting on Sunday, no more diapers" or something like that).

Whether you have to continue now or could wait, I'm not sure. I'd think that if you come back to it in July things might be different(?). Good luck, to both of us
 

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Thanks so much. He is great with pee so far so I just have to keep hoping. I am going to back off a bit because it was getting so unpleasant here. I was miserable yesterday and dd wasn't having much fun either. DS he picks up on my anxiety and I don't want to make things worse. I thought we could stay home this week and be done with it like I did with DD but it seems that boys are different. I am going to try as much as I can to keep him naked/in undies when we are here but we have to get out of the house!. What do you think about pullups? I wanted to go right from dipes to undies because I think he treats the pullups as dipes but I am reconsidering.
 

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I just wanted to say gently, you have time. It will be okay, I predict. What a hard day.

For us going to underwear worked the best; pull ups just ended up working like diapers. But yes, I did have a lot of extra laundry.
 

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We're potty learning at our house too. We started at the end of February (when my son was 26 months). He's pretty good at pee, but very hit and miss with poops. He definitely prefers pooping in his clothes.

I wish I bought these http://www.betterforbabies.com/imse_...ing_pants.html , but they seemed so expensive at the time. They work like pull-ups because they catch a little and can be unfastened instead of pulled down, which could probably do wonders for my mood when I am changing poopy underwear...again.

When we go out, I usually choose padded underwear (we have some lightly padded and some regular underwear) and sometimes also wind-breaker type pants. Of course, that can completely camouflage an accident, so I have to keep checking. We also talk up any public potties. "Wow, I just loooove the potties here, let's go look!". We have a bigger problem not checking every.single.potty. than having accidents out now (we've been at it for 2 months).

My little guy was the same as yours about not liking being naked. When I started, my plan was to keep him naked for a whole week and just observe his habits, and have a little potty available. I didn't expect him to use it at all (and had lots of cleaning supplies ready...), but he did use it some, and I learned a lot about his habits. Including that he doesn't love being naked.

I still do let him be naked some of the time, as often as he'll let me when we're at home. He almost never has accidents when he's naked. He also can't pull his underwear up yet (not over his bottom).

With poops, he's gone to the potty on his own to poop maybe 2-3 times (in 2 months!). If he makes it, it's usually because I can tell he's starting and I make it exciting to go now.

Oh! And that reminds me of some other things we do. It was important for me that we not use rewards since we plan to not use them in our parenting journey. And pretty much every thing I read expects you too. (Except Montessori from the Start, but I feel like what it said set me up to be in a bad mood about it by giving me unrealistic expectations). But we do make going to the potty fun! We had him pick out some special books (including one new one from the store), and once at the store a few weeks ago, he REALLY wanted this Easter toy. I think this is the first time we ever bought him a toy that he just wanted at the store. But, we told him we could put it in his potty basket. So, he's exciting to go to the potty and use his "spinning toy". We also have cut-out shapes from sponges (triangles, mostly). He loves to sit on his potty and put sponges together to make designs on top of his stool nearby.

Whenever his interest is lacking (it was high when we started, though). We set up "potty kits". Fun things for him to pour into the potty before going. At first we started with blue food coloring. I got out a tray, a small glass creamer with a little water in it, gel food coloring, and a small whisk. I showed him how to put a little color in the water and whisk it. Then, excitedly, we went to pour it into the potty. "Let's see what happens when we add yellow pee to blue!". That was lots of fun and we tried other colors as well. When he bored of that game, I got out an eyedropper (as I noticed he was having lots of fun with one the day before). I made a tray with 3 shot glasses, and eyedropper, and the small glass creamer. I filled the shot glasses each with yellow, blue, and red food colored water. (But after the first time, ran out and got natural food coloring because he put some in his mouth and I FREAKED out...). I showed him how to mix his own color in the creamer and we went to pour in the potty and add his pee (or poop). We've tried lots of variations of this, adding bubbles sometimes. I haven't done it in awhile, unless he asks (because he's pretty good at getting there now). But it really helped when interest was fading...and I went through plenty of days wondering why was I forging ahead, should I just wait longer? But, today, I'm glad we stuck with it.
 

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Boys that have been wearing diapers up to this point seem to have a more difficult time adjusting to the potty and #2 is even more difficult than #1.

It took about a month to pee train my ds (starting at 3) but it took a couple more months to poop train him, and he was still doing that at night for another couple of months.

He was in pull-ups at night for pee until he was nearly 5.

My dd has been much easier. We started leaving out the potty at about 2y 4mo, and started "naked butt" at 2y7mo. She is daytime potty trained and I think she stopped pooping at night before 2yrs.
 

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If when he is nakes he is asking for underwear, goes finds it, puts it on, and then pooping it; he is totally ready to PL. By asking for undies, he has demonstrated that he recognises the sensation that he needs to poop. By going and finding the undies, he demonstrates that he has enough control to hold the poop in. By putting on the undies, he demonstartes that he can deal with getting in and out of is clothing. By pooping once he has the undies on, he demostrates control over pooping. Basically he has all the skills need for potty learning down, and is simply choosing not to poop on the potty.

Now you just need to figure why he doesn't want to poop on the potty.

Some kids hate the sensation of the poop falling away, and need to start by pooping while sitting on the potty in diaper, and then the diaper is gradually lowered into the potty.

DS went through a period where he would only poop while standing up with his butt hanging over the potty, b/c he didn't like sitting on the potty.

He also got terribly upset the first time he pooped on the potty and was so proud of his poopy and himself and then mommy just flushed is beautiful poopy down the toilet. The poor thing, he was devistated crying, but there was no way I could get it back after I had flushed it. After that, we always just left the bathroom with the poopy still in the potty.
 

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Ahhh...I was were you are now a year ago. I started pushing the PL with my DD so she would be ready for her first year of Montessori Pre-school a week after she turned 3. She got the pee thing down quickly. But the poop thing we just FINALLY got down in the last few weeks. A YEAR after pushing PL. Luckily her school was willing to work with us. She was/is attending a morning program for 2.5 hours 5 days a week. After having 3 poop accidents in about a week about 6 weeks into the school year. I kept her home for 3 school days and a weekend until she would poop in the potty at home. After she accomplished one deposit in the potty, I let her go back to school with reminders that she couldn't go in her pants AT SCHOOL or she couldn't go to school. She realized pretty quickly that it was a bad idea to go in her pants at school. She still had a few more accidents at school over the next few months, but they were far apart. She has been accident free for several weeks now and it's SOOOOOO nice.
: But once she had the pee in the pot down, I only put her in regular underwear and carried extra underwear and pants with me for quite some time. Now days I just leave a back-up outfit in the car - just in case. It took her a long time to be fully trained, but it happened slowly as she had fewer and fewer accidents. But we used rewards for success. I let her pick out the rewards she wanted - usually marshmallows or chocolate.

I actually noticed she started doing better with self initiated bathroom trips when I stopped stressing out so much about it.

On the funny side of training - I would tell her how happy I was when she pooped in the potty and how happy Daddy was. So now she likes to ask "Are you happy I pooped in the potty?" The funny part is when she does something that makes you want to scream and she knows your upset/angry and she asks, "Are you happy I pooped in the potty?" Nothing like changing the subject huh?
 

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This is the most un-Montessori thing ever, but we basically bribed both our DDs into potty learning. We put wrapped presents on the back of the potty. For two days, they got a present every time they put pee in the potty (just something small, but not food - a can of play dough, a ruler, new crayons, that sort of thing). Once they'd seemed to master pee, we moved on to poo. The presents were bigger since they only came once or twice a day, and we had about two days worth of presents.

Each of the girls potty learned in three days (including night training, though they had both been having dry nights for a few months before we started), one at 27 months and the other at around 30 months. No diapers, no pull-ups, just cold turkey with panties. Other things that I think were crucial were that we had one parent who was completely responsible for potty learning, and nothing else, for those three days, and we didn't go anywhere for about a week.

Good luck.
 

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Thanks so much. I don't think we are doing very well. He will go pee on the potty if I put him there but won't go on his own. He treats the pullups like diapers. I have tried undies at home but I find myself getting mad when he poops in them right after I asked him if he needed to go. I don't think he is doing it spitefully. He just doesn't seem to care. He does run to me right away to change him as I am sure it is uncomfortable. He knows he will get M & M's if he makes a poop so I don't know that the bribery thing would work. I really wish we hadn't started because now I feel like we have to keep going. He is a very sweet child but can be very stubborn so I am having other issues with him as well. He won't listen to me unless he wants to and refuses to sit in time out. I would appreciate any thoughts on this as well. TIA
 

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Ds was pee-trained for an ENTIRE YEAR before he started pooping in the potty. I'm lucky that his school doesn't care and they will potty train, but they actually didn't know any of this because he just never, ever pooped at school. Finally I said, "Walmart is out of diapers! Isn't that weird?" and he used the potty.
Months later he would pass the diapers in Walmart and say, "Look! They have diapers again, can we buy some?"
 
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