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Since researchers published the first study reporting that circumcision is an effective intervention in the HIV/AIDS fight, many have been suspect of the findings. It now appears that those suspicions were well founded.<br><br>
In a letter to the editor of The Lancet, the journal of The British Medical Association lead researcher, William Bailey shares some previously unpublished information about his study.<br><br><a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/articl...07607387/fulltext" target="_blank">http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...07387/fulltext</a><br><br>
In Bailey's letter, he shares that the intervention group (the circumcised men) reported condom use up from 22% to 36%. That is the exact increase to gain a 61% protective factor, exactly the protective factor the study claimed circumcision provided. This indicates that the men's circumcisions played no part in the lower infection rate but instead, the condoms were the protective factor. In the later studies that reported 48% and 52% protective factors, it would indicate that circumcision actually increased the men's susceptibility to HIV/AIDS.<br><br>
Additionally, the circumcised group reported that they had reduced their number of sexual partners. The percentage of men with more than two sexual partners decreased from 42% to 33%. This would put them at less risk of contracting HIV/AIDS.<br><br>
This new information turns the studies completely upside down and appear to strongly suggest that the circumcised men were substantially more likely to contract HIV/AIDS.
 

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It says "page not found" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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The link is abbreviated, that's why it doesn't work. But YES @ this letter. Thank god. Spread it to other forums.
 

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<a href="http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673607607387/fulltext" target="_blank">http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...07387/fulltext</a><br><br>
To the OP, and anyone else who doesn't know:<br>
This board, and other similar boards truncate links, it is not possible to copy and paste straight from here to anywhere else (or to here from similar boards). If you see those dots in the middle of a link you want to copy, you MUST either right click and "copy link location" (or equivalent in your browser), or go to the page and copy the address bar.<br><br>
I must say though, this is an astonishing admission from the perpetrator of that study, it's interesting.
 

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Doesn't it contradict itself by the end, or am I just not comprehending it?<br><br>
I saw this.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Modelling of our study population has shown that the fraction of all HIV infections prevented through circumcision that is attributable to prevention of other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) is likely to be small.1 Thus, any increase in STI incidence related to risk compensation by circumcised men is likely to have a small effect on HIV infection.</td>
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but the end says<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Anecdotes and speculation should not trump the consistent evidence from three randomised trials and more than 40 observational studies. As the WHO and UNAIDS said this year, “the efficacy of male circumcision in reducing female to male HIV transmission has now been proven beyond reasonable doubt. This is an important landmark in the history of HIV prevention.”</td>
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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Mewsin</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8172444"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Doesn't it contradict itself by the end, or am I just not comprehending it?<br></div>
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Yes, to me that does sound like it contradicts the original statement.<br><br>
Somehow it has the "woopsie, we might not have analyzed the data properly" sort of feeling...but then at the end "well, we might not have analyzed it right but other studies said the same thing so probably circ has an effect."<br><br>
OK.<br><br>
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation people. We already have research showing now that langerhans cells actually destroy HIV. Plus, we now have the research showing that it increases HIV infection to women (initially we know that in the first several months after the circumcision the preliminary research reveals).<br><br>
It's just so sad in a way...people are focusing on something that is destructive in so many ways, and unproven. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: Focusing on limiting partners and consistent condom use...that is what is proven to work.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">This board truncates links, it is not possible to copy and paste straight from here (or from similar boards) to anywhere else. If you see those dots in the middle of a link you want to copy, you MUST either left click and "copy link location" (or equivalent in your browser), or go to the page and copy the address bar.</td>
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I know how to work the internets, I clicked on the link (did not copy/paste) and it said "page not found". However now I have the log-in screen and later when I have some free time I'll sign up and check it ou.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>fishface</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8175368"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I know how to work the internets, I clicked on the link (did not copy/paste) and it said "page not found". However now I have the log-in screen and later when I have some free time I'll sign up and check it ou.</div>
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Actually, my post was to the OP, who copy/pasted the link from somewhere else...that's why the link in the OP didn't (and still doesn't) work.
 

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I find it nice if people put these long links into<br><a href="http://www.tinyurl.com" target="_blank">http://www.tinyurl.com</a><br><br>
and change them to tiny url's. That way, we can cut and paste them easily.<br>
Here's the tinyurl for this Lancet letter<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2bzo23" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2bzo23</a>
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>baybee</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8175534"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I find it nice if people put these long links into<br><a href="http://www.tinyurl.com" target="_blank">http://www.tinyurl.com</a><br><br>
and change them to tiny url's. That way, we can cut and paste them easily.<br>
Here's the tinyurl for this Lancet letter<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2bzo23" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/2bzo23</a></div>
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It would be if there weren't so many dodgy websites out there. I'm afraid I <i>never</i> click on a TinyURL, because I can't see what website it's pointing at. I know they should be safe on here, but anywhere else? Nope.<br><br>
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>Daisyuk</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8175554"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">It would be if there weren't so many dodgy websites out there. I'm afraid I <i>never</i> click on a TinyURL, because I can't see what website it's pointing at. I know they should be safe on here, but anywhere else? Nope.<br><br>
I'm sure I'm not the only one.</div>
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Oh, gee, I never thought of that one. Good point-- and I know it was mentioned it would be great to have some of the sticky's tiny url'ed so that people needing to copy and paste would have an easier time distributing the info.<br><br>
Ok, and now to take a look at that letter.... but it makes me sad that in a way the damage has been done-- the info, however flawed, is out there and as we know from every other myth we encounter, it takes a life of its own and takes forever to squash and stomp.<br><br>
Jessica
 

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Oh, and Bugmenot just worked to avoid registering for the lancet.<br><br>
(I love bugmenot).<br><br>
Jessica
 

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One other thing. Why did they only mention the condom use of the circumcised group???? Shouldn't the intact group also increased their condom useage.... especially if they received the same counseling that the circumcised group did.<br><br>
Why do they not mention those numbers?<br><br>
Jessica
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>jessjgh1</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/8175732"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">One other thing. Why did they only mention the condom use of the circumcised group???? Shouldn't the intact group also increased their condom useage.... especially if they received the same counseling that the circumcised group did.<br><br>
Why do they not mention those numbers?<br><br>
Jessica</div>
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Probably because they didn't and that it completely nullifies the "result". After all, if you design your study to prove your point, it's a bit unfortunate if your "results" don't show what you want them to.<br><br>
Likelihood is that the control group carried on the same as usual after an initial enthusiasm for using condoms after the counselling. The circumcised men probably had it made VERY clear to them that they MUST use condoms after the operation, and possible super-sensitivity issues/painful healing tissue would have made it easier and more comfortable for them to use a condom than not.<br><br>
Isn't this something that we've been saying right from the beginning? Nice that the author of the study is admitting it at last.
 

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What's bugmenot? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Here's what they say: BugMeNot.com was created as a mechanism to quickly bypass the login of web sites that require compulsory registration and/or the collection of personal/demographic information.<br><br>
Jessica
 
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