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I didn't want to invade in the thread about offering tastes of solids, but I am going <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hammer.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hammer"> with this kiddo of mine.<br><br>
I have food allergies. Ds1 doesn't (yay!), but ds2, from when my milk came in, has shown sensitivities to milk and soy and other things (basically anything that I eat too much of).<br><br>
I want to delay solids. Ds2 does not. He wants food and he wants it NOW (he just turned 6 months).<br><br>
He sits unsupported, he chews, he has 3 teeth--all that fun stuff...<br>
and he wants absolutely NOTHING to do with baby mush. I offer him rice that I put through the baby mill--and he just looks at me like I'm <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut"><br>
If I offer him whole grains of rice, he's happy--but those pass right through his system (owwie)<br><br>
This is going to sound bad (maybe only to me, because I did NOT want to give him any) but he totally loves water softened cheerios. But he won't go near oatmeal or mashed bananas (which constipate him anyhow)<br><br>
I feel like I ought to just put my foot down and say "No More Table Food for You, my little one", but he won't let me eat if I don't give him something. He is still nursing LOTS, which means I am HUNGRY--and I can't deal with sneaking little bites of things all day. I have to sit down and eat meals.<br><br>
I really really want to keep him off of solid food. I'm thrilled to no end that he is content with 4 or 5 cheerios and isn't getting hooked on them as a 'meal', but they seem to constipate him some, and I feel like I'm contributing to future problems.<br><br>
I guess what I am looking for are ideas on things I can offer him that will help in my quest to 'delay' solids. I do not want him to go through what I did as a kiddo (although dh, who has no food allergies, was kind enough to note that I obviously survived, so it couldn't be that bad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">: )<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Thanks for reading <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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If you're sure he's ready, there is no need to delay solids. He sounds ready to me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. The key here is to feed food that won't lead to allergies. Cheerios are not on the non-allergy list due to their wheat content. Your best bet is small soft morsels of chicken and veggies, like sweet potato, squash,pumpkin, carrot, cooked egg yolk. Choose things you know no one is allergic to. Stay away from things like wheat, corn, dairy, strawberries, mango, peanuts, egg whites. Hope that helps<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br>
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I'm sorry, I don't understand. Why do you want to deny something that he is showing every sign of being ready for and wants? I mean, how would you feel if someone ate chocolate ice cream (or whatever your weakness is, this is mine) in front of you and said "You can't have any because I know what's best for you." Sure, control what he is getting, but why not give him what he is clearly begging for? Yes, start with things that are less likely to be allergy producing, and certainly things that aren't allergy problems for you (which you probably don't have in the house anyway). Yes, breastmilk is perfect for an infant, but its not perfect for an older child and he will have to start eating solids eventually. If he's ready now, then he should start now.
 

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Wow, that wasn't a very supportive post, E&A's mama. Just because my son grabs for food if someone's eating it in front of him doesn't mean he should have it. He may be grabbing at stuff because it's interesting and in front of him, not necessarily because his system is ready for it. Food allergies/sensitivities IMO are not to be messed with and I think Lauren is right to be concerned about triggering them.<br><br>
Breastmilk is perfectly sufficient nutrition for kids up to a year and often beyond, and plenty of mamas on these boards have had babies who thrived on breastmilk only to a year and beyond.<br><br>
That said, I agree with Suzy that you can start him slooooowly and gradually on non-allergenic foods, waiting a good long while between new foods to see if he has any reactions. Avocado is a great first food, as is sweet potato. You can also cook rice until it's super soft and try that - not mush but not solid grains either. Citrus and soy are another two to stay away from in addition to the ones Suzy listed.<br><br>
You might want to pick up a copy of Cathe Olsen's book or Ruth Yaron's Super Baby Food. Lots and lots of food ideas in there!
 

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Yup. Just because my daughter REALLY WANTS to teeth on my steak knife doesn't mean I'm going to let her have it. I KNOW she's not mature enough for it, just like I KNOW she's not mature enough for any food except breastmilk.
 

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thanks mamas <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Yeah...it totally is *not* about his having control over the situation. It is about wanting a happy baby for the long term--not just for 10 minutes while he picks at food.<br><br>
My food sensitivities didn't kick in unti I was 2, then I had to be completely taken off solid food and EVERYTHING was reintroduced, one food per week with formula as a supplement until I was 5. I remember walking to the store with my mom to buy my formula :LOL<br><br>
I continued to have reactions to LOTS of foods until I had ds1 (amazing what having kids does to you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ) Now the list is shorter, but still good sized.<br><br>
I know I survived my food issues...but BOY...if I can save ds2 from all the time spent in the bathroom CRYING over stomach cramps, I am totally for it.<br><br>
I'm just so nervous about giving him food. I don't want to hurt him! The mommy guilt from him having problems with food *I* eat is bad enough!<br><br>
*sigh*<br><br>
I think avocados will be our next experiment. It is so hilarious to watch him chew his food up <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Any websites you can recommend with food lists? I did search and didn't come up with much....<br><br>
Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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Starting Solids <a href="http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/first-foods.html#order" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/so...ods.html#order</a>
 

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my son has food allergies and was (is) sensitive to the same things in my breastmilk.<br><br>
i have a hx of allergies (environmental, no food), so i waited for solids. i introduced him to solids when he was 8 months, he didn't want any until he was 10 months and he is plagued by a host of food allergies, including CARROTS of all things. i didn't start him on the highly allergenic foods until he was over a year. we still have problems.<br><br>
our next child, we will wait until they are faster than we are before we start solids. probably around a year old. for us, it just isn't worth it.<br><br>
hth<br>
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I should have known! Is there anything that isn't on Kelly's website???<br><br>
I had to laugh over this one though:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Following are some reactions that may help you recognize an allergy in your baby:<br>
...Generally cranky behavior, fussiness, irritability, colic</td>
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ummm that is ds2 for about 10 of the 12 hours he is awake for...<br><br>
I'm so sure that there are more things that I should cut out of my diet, but for a vegetarian loosing dairy and soy is already rough! That sounds incredibly selfish of me, doesn't it? Really though, it is something that dh and I discussed quite a bit--The dairy and soy showed immediate effects and obviously made him MISERABLE. Whatever else might be making him grumpy, but it isn't ruining his life, kwim?<br><br>
I'm hoping that if he has problems with any foods that it will be fairly obvious--like with the dairy and soy.<br><br>
I really don't think his tummy is ready to deal with food--but the rest of him clearly is. It is so hard to deal with. Not to mention I do NOT want him to cut back on nursing....<br><br>
ah...and where else, I ask, could I discuss such things??<br><br>
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OK, you are right, it probably wasn't as supportive as it should have been. I'm sorry if it sounded harsh or un-supportive.<br><br>
But, I really, truly do not get this "don't feed solids" thing. I mean, here is a child that seems to show every sign I can think of for being ready to take the next step. I understand a concern about allergies, but I don't see why that should stop something. There was a whole 'nother post around here somewhere about how parents are "too protective" these days. I'm not sure why this isn't roughly the same? BTW, I have my share of food and other allergies, so I'm not discounting allergies as an issue. Sure, I can see being really selective about what and how much. But I can't see not doing anything. To me (and maybe only me) this seems so anti-AP. Here we are talking about taking the child's lead on everything, about honoring their needs and wants, about doing things on their timing, and then on this one issue we say "No, not their cues, I'll decide."<br><br>
I understand not giving things that are bad (e.g. steak knives) but isn't there an underlying message here that says "I'm ready for the adventure of putting things in my mouth, including food." Like I said, control what we use to answer that need, but I don't get saying "no" all together. And I understand that food isn't "necessary for survival" at this age. But I know that I don't eat just for survival, I eat for all kinds of reasons, I assume that my baby does too.<br><br>
Am I the only one who doesn't get this?
 

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Well, for one thing, they used to recommend solids for newborns.<br>
In the 1980's and 90's they recommended 4 months.<br>
In 1997 the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended 6 months.<br>
Now studies show waiting until 7 or 8 months (Daryl?) provides optimal protection to the child against anemia.<br><br>
WHY do the experts and the studies keep raising the recommended age for solids? This tells me if we start too early with solids, we are still experimenting with their health.<br>
If a mom's gut and instincts tell her 6 months are too early, she should listen to that IMHO.<br><br>
And not every adult is just fine...look at all the reflux drug commericials, look at the row after row of antacids in any drugstore or supermarket. Assuming every baby is ready by 6 months (in my opinion, from my gut feelings AND my research of studies and expert recommendations) is not the ideal way of giving a child optimal health.<br><br>
And starting solids is just one of the times, when we may feel we need to put our foot down, and say no in our child's best interest. It is good to be respectful of our child's wishes and their dignity, but that doesn't mean (for instance, when kids get a little older) that they can fill the grocery cart with sugar and Doritos and I'll just say sure thing kid! A newborn's wants are their needs, but a toddler screaming in the candy aisle is another thing completely. And starting solid food fits somewhere in between there. For instance our culture says white rice is *the* ideal first food. Then pediatricians and lactation consultants say no, refined grains are devoid of nutrition and cause constipation before about a year. So our minds are in a whirl from the different recomendations and we have to listen to our gut and our instincts even when out peds. don't support us. (Not sure this rambling paragraph makes any sense at all! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">)
 

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I have food allergies too, and I know what you're going through. I wanted to keep ds on breastmilk alone until he was nine months old, but it didn't work out that way; he wanted to eat at 5.5 months.<br><br>
He has thus far only shown signs of allergy to one thing: sweet potatoes. I've been very careful to introduce new foods one at a time, with at least a one-week spacing between new foods. *At least*. That way, you can watch for the development of allergies.<br><br>
Eli vastly prefers foods that I am eating, and wants to drink what I'm drinking, so I gave up soda (I love sierra mist! *sigh*) and now I drink a lot of apple juice. :LOL. There are some foods that are more likely to cause allergies than others, and we're waiting until he's 1 year old (for the foods we're not allergic to like tomatoes) or 2 years old (for foods that extended family members are allergic to like fish) or even 3 years old (for foods that I am allergic to, like cow's milk).<br><br>
I know how you feel about giving things up. I love shrimp and such, but I gave it up in my third trimester of pregnancy and haven't touched it since. Same with nuts of all kinds. I'm able to tolerate more things than I could before I got pregnant (I used to have skin reactions to milk and now I can eat ice cream; amazing!), but I'm eating them in moderation (if at all) because I don't want Eli to suffer the way I have. HTH, and good luck!
 

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Like with all things in parenting listen to your child and your heart and then you have done the right thing. You will get so much advice from other mommas. What is best for one child is not best for another. Every child is different and develops differently.
 
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