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I really wanted to title this thread "idiots who dont know how to drive" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
let me set the scene...driving the kids to school each morning, the school is on my left, i must turn left across traffic to get in to the car loop. there is no median, and there is only one lane going each direction. the road is not a major road, but it is understandably busy at 7:45 on a school day. there are no traffic lights at the school entrance. people leaving the school have one lane for turning left and another for turning right, plus a stop sign, but there is no other stop sign nearby, so those turning right and left <i>into</i> the school are on their own.<br><br>
every morning, i wait patiently in the turn lane to get into the school. traffic behind me going straight is not impeded by my waiting. i am in a separate lane, so they just keep going. traffic coming out of the school stops at the stop sign, then proceeds cautiously either right, left, or straight ahead. traffic turning right in to the school has the easiest time as they just turn in off the road. there is a crossing guard who occasionally must stop traffic for kids to cross.<br><br>
here is the issue: inevitably, 3 or 4 days out of 5, some dope tries to be nice and refuses to turn right in to the school but instead sits there waiting so that i can turn left. this feels wrong to me. i understand that i must wait until there is no one approaching from the opposite direction before i turn, and the people coming out of the school presumably understand that they must come to a complete stop and then turn when no one is approaching. since they have a stop sign and i am in the road in the turn lane, if i am clear to turn left, anyone turning left out of the school must also wait for me, right?<br><br>
so when the dope (its not just one, lots of people do this) is refusing to turn in to the school ahead of me, i refuse to turn in to the school bc i am required to yield the right of way and if i cross through out of turn and someone hits me, i am at fault, no?<br><br>
today was the worst. it was a total stand off. he stopped where there was no stop sign and i waited back bc i couldnt figure out why. his blinker wasnt on...i gestured nicely for him to turn, he flashed his lights at me. when i crept up just a bit, people coming from the school exit just started turning. i guess they didnt feel like waiting at their stop sign while the other guy and i argued about who had the go. so now, this dope is trying to be nice and let me go but bc he broke from the normal (and legal!) flow of traffic, others are siezing the opportunity to just go out of order and i am still refusing to try to turn. finally someone honked at the guy and he went straight down the road. he wasnt even a parent at the school, just some person driving down the road who decided to stop where there was no stop sign to let me go. fwiw, i wasnt "trapped" in the turn lane...there were no other cars behind him for quite a ways, so if he had just gone straight ahead i would have turned behind him and traffic would have kept flowing smoothly.<br><br>
so who was wrong? him for hallucinating a stop sign or me for not accepting the right of way?<br><br>
i think fo rthe next 4 days of school that are left this year i will just take a back road and go around so that i come up to the school on the right. i can then just turn in without encountering a "nice" person who messes up the flow of traffic by refusing to go even though there is no stop sign.<br><br>
and this is important bc my 15yo ds who is learning to drive is right next to me in the front seat each morning!
 

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I hear you! I also hate that "nice" gesture that really just messes up the normal flow of traffic. ESPECIALLY when there is NO one (or maybe one or two cars, even) behind this "generous" person. I mean, just GO for pete's sake, and as soon as you (and maybe the car or two behind you) go, I will have my turn to turn left.<br>
Now, if there is no turn lane, I'm holding up traffic behind me, there's an endless stream of people coming toward me, and I've already waited through one traffic light cycle without being able to make my left turn, THEN I appreciate it if the person who is first in the oncoming lane just pauses a few seconds when the light turns green so I can turn left and then everyone behind me can go straight. In this case, letting me make my left actually HELPS the traffic flow. In the case that you described, their trying to yield impedes normal traffic fllow. People need to learn to tell the difference. I think you are right to wait in your situation, since just because Mr. Clueless oncoming lane car is letting you go, does not mean the people turning out of the other lane are going to stop for you. It's up to you to make sure the way is really clear, not just go because Mr. Clueless is flashing his lights at you.<br><br>
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I work in a school, so I know what you mean! I say follow the traffic laws all the time. My huge issues are with people who break the traffic laws, like hooking a u-turn in front of the school to drop their kid off (over a double yellow) rather than pulling into the drop off zone in the school parking lot. Gurr. Yes, you save a few minutes, but you are also teaching your very observent kids how to drive.<br><br>
My best suggestion is to completly ignore the person who is trying to yeild to you. Don't look their way, don't wave, creep, or flash your lights. Just pretend like you don't even see that they've stopped. Look at your child next to you, or the stereo, or somewhere else. Usually those misguided "nice" people will just go on their way if they are not getting any feed back from you.<br><br>
I would say for the rest of the year (the next couple days!) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> just go around the block so you are turning right into the school and avoid the whole issue. I know many teachers who do that at our school because it just saves them the grief of trying to deal with tired, hurried, or overly nice and yeilding parents dropping off kids.
 

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We deal with this a lot where I live. Even at four ways stops we have issues, because some "Minnesota Nice" person will want to let everyone else go first, regardless of the traffic laws. Drives me up a tree. Then there's the whole stop-go-stop-no you go-no no I insist, you go- garbage. Arg! If everyone would just follow the rules instead of trying to be nice things would run a lot smoother.<br><br>
Just commiserating, no advice.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My best suggestion is to completly ignore the person who is trying to yeild to you. Don't look their way, don't wave, creep, or flash your lights. Just pretend like you don't even see that they've stopped. Look at your child next to you, or the stereo, or somewhere else. Usually those misguided "nice" people will just go on their way if they are not getting any feed back from you.</div>
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i've done this! i just turn and look at my teenager and complain about the perosn while they sit there flicking their high beams on and off LOL<br><br>
i'm glad others agree with me, it makes me feel less guilty for not accepting the "kind" gesture.<br><br>
heres another one that bugs me: the crossing guard directs traffic from the sidewalk. he cant see clearly down the street in either direction, but he still tries to wave people on. at first i ignored him but one day a cop was there so i obeyed the Cg, still not sure if he was right to be doing it. well, i narrowly missed a crash, so now when he waves me on to make a turn, usually from the stop sign coming out, i deliberately stop and look both ways while he stands there flapping his arm like a big bird! LOL i could see him directing traffic if he was standing in the middle of the street- theres usually a cop there the first couple days of school doing it from a good vantage point, but when the Cg is already about 80 yrs old and then he isnt even standing where he can see all the on coming cars, i just sort of do my own thing.<br><br>
gosh, i sound a bit like an anarchist, i swear i'm not!
 

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I'd report the cg to the school and tell them I almost had a crash because of him and for them to tell him to stop trying to direct traffic.
 

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i was going to call the PD which actually oversees the CGs but honestly, i dont want to be the one who complains about <i>everything</i> LOL i'm trying to get a friend to do it instead!
 

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I was an insurance agent for ten years, so I always follow the traffic laws. You are correct that you would be held accountable if an accident occurs.<br><br>
I tick the "nice" drivers off by waiting too. Funny how nasty they sometimes turn out to be when you don't do what they want though.....
 

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One morning when dh was driving to work, a "nice" guy sitting in a line at a stoplight waved on someone waiting to pull out of a restaraunt parking lot and turn left. The problem was that he didn't look in his sideview mirror to know that the other lane still had cars coming up to the light, and that because he was far enough from the light that those cars were still going at a decent speed. So, the car pulled out. My husband saw him as the guy sped across his lane and managed to slam on the break and swerve to minimize damage. My husband's car weighs a ton and still had quite a bit of damage to the front. The other guy's car was totalled, but thanks to my husband's quick reflexes he was able to walk away. He was ticketed and called in to court, and my husband was called in as a witness. The "nice" guy who waved him on in the first place didn't even stop to see if he could help. He drove on as soon as the light turned green.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">One morning when dh was driving to work, a "nice" guy sitting in a line at a stoplight waved on someone waiting to pull out of a restaraunt parking lot and turn left. The problem was that he didn't look in his sideview mirror to know that the other lane still had cars coming up to the light, and that because he was far enough from the light that those cars were still going at a decent speed. So, the car pulled out. My husband saw him as the guy sped across his lane and managed to slam on the break and swerve to minimize damage. My husband's car weighs a ton and still had quite a bit of damage to the front. The other guy's car was totalled, but thanks to my husband's quick reflexes he was able to walk away. He was ticketed and called in to court, and my husband was called in as a witness. The "nice" guy who waved him on in the first place didn't even stop to see if he could help. He drove on as soon as the light turned green.</div>
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I almost hit sometime the EXACT same way! A car stopped to be "nice" to let someone make a left turn, but to ME coming up to the light in the next lane, all I saw was a green light. I was going along at 35 and luckily hit the brakes HARD and avoiding hitting this person who was either making a left on a must-yield green or on a red, not sure. If it had been around here where all roads are a good 45 or 50, we would have had a heck of a smash up. So scary! Being "nice" is only nice if you are being safe for ALL cars on the road.
 

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i swear i'm not making this up, but this morning i went around behind the school on a back road so that i could come up to it from the other direction. i figured turning right in to the school would be easier, though, tbh, turning left is quite simple when no one is screwing it up! LOL<br><br>
anyway, as i rolled up to the entrance, the crossing guard had just stopped traffic to let some kids across and was just going back to his spot and lowering his sign. so traffic was just beginning to start up again. the person first in line was in a pick up truck towing a big trailer full of lawn equipment. i guess he didnt feel like manuevering through the car loop with his rig, so he just pulled up in front of the driveway and let his daughter out in the street and then drove on!<br><br>
of course the person behind him then had to stop and wave the poor child across the entrance to the school to the side with the pedestrian pathway. um, hello, thats what the flippin crossing guard is there for!!! so the cg sees this person directing the child across and runs across the street to tell her to stop and angrily (rightfully so!) waves the guy into the school.<br><br>
i am very seriously considering putting my kids on the bus next year. i had thought i might let ds1 drive himself and his brother to school (3 mi from the house) but its probably not a very good idea at all. but i dont know how much more i can take before an incident of road rage on my part occurs <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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IME people drive CRAZY around schools. Parents breaking the law to make it easier to drop of their kids, people in a rush, too crowded, and then teen drivers... I'm glad this year I'm not arriving on campus the same time as the kids b/c all the bad driving will drive you crazy. A student of mine actually did a video report on it and caught something like 40 cars making illegal turns that almost caused accidents, right outside our school... in ONE day.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I almost hit sometime the EXACT same way! A car stopped to be "nice" to let someone make a left turn, but to ME coming up to the light in the next lane, all I saw was a green light. I was going along at 35 and luckily hit the brakes HARD and avoiding hitting this person who was either making a left on a must-yield green or on a red, not sure. If it had been around here where all roads are a good 45 or 50, we would have had a heck of a smash up. So scary! Being "nice" is only nice if you are being safe for ALL cars on the road.</div>
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this exact thing happened to me! a "nice" guy in a big-a$$ SUV waved me through an intersection, because he could see into the lane next to him, and his big dumb car was totally blocking my view. of course, some teenager was speeding and crashed into me. because i was the one making the left turn though, it was totally my fault (i was an inexperienced driver, didn't realize how stupid it was to trust someone else). and of course, the SUV guy just took off.
 
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