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My dream curriculums for K science -- can't find it

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I found a math curriculum that is so perfect for my daughter that I want something similarly perfect for science. Math U See is so great (http://www.mathusee.com) that my dd begs to use it and I feel confident to use it because it has a DVD for me to watch and then teach with and hands on rods and cubes that help her conceptualize things. Everything is broken down into teeny steps.

For science, I want to find the equivalent to Math U See, in terms of the DVD and hands on activities that we pace ourselves. I want the same workbooks that build slowly, almost imperceptibly, on the knowledge.

I want very exciting experiments that illustrate the principles being taught, preferably with the option of buying the kits at the same time.

Also, it must be secular without intelligent design or creationism.

I want it to have things like field trips to the zoo, birdwatching, along with things like making volcanos out of paper mache.

Does such a curriculum exist? Please point it out to me. I need it. I do not want to design it myself, but please, there must be a market for such a product, so if it doesn't exist yet, will someone please make it?
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For Kindergarten?

I'm sorry but nature walks will cover science. You don't really have to spend money or follow some standard. Just make learning fun and stir their curiousity about things.
I was told, on a board full of the most rigorous HSers, that for K I didn't need any kind of curriculum--that nature walks and books and fun experiments should totally cover it. Have you ever seen the books Mupies to Magnets and More Mudpies to Magnets? Those should cover you for experiments. However, I'm a more "please lead me by the nose" kind of person
, so I'll probably have a curriculum just so I feel on track with something, and for ideas (I am really not creative at all). To that end, you could also check out the following:

http://livinglearningbooks.com/cart....ategory_id=304
http://www.pandiapress.com/life_level1.htm
http://www.gravitaspublications.com/...Grade-1-1.html
http://www.myworldscience.com/

I have a Real Science 4 Kids package coming to me, I can let you know how that one looks. As for the rest, I'm trying to find them used. Note that only RS4K includes the K year in its designation--the rest all say they start at Grade 1. YMMV.

HTH!

ETA that I believe these are all completely secular resources. I could be wrong, but I'm a secular HSer, so that what's I'd be looking for too.
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It's not a curriculum, but the Read-and Find-Out Science books are great. They introduce a topic in great or not-so-great detal (depending on the book), and most have experiments suggested within. You can use them for jumping-off points.

http://www.harperchildrens.com/teacher/K-3/science.asp
I've close to given up hope on finding a complete science curriculum that is secular. The real science books seem like they could be nice but I don't trust them to really be secular based on the author's essay here:

http://gravitashomeschool.wordpress....ligent-design/
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I've close to given up hope on finding a complete science curriculum that is secular. The real science books seem like they could be nice but I don't trust them to really be secular based on the author's essay here:

http://gravitashomeschool.wordpress....ligent-design/
Hmm, I don't know. I've been assured that it doesn't address either end of the spectrum at all, just as she says in the entry:

"Although I do have a personal bias and I do prefer one interpretative framework over another, RS4K is, and will continue to be (to the best of my ability), a practice of science only curriculum."

I guess I'll have to see for myself. It will be here in a few days. I am...shall we say...a COMPLETELY, 100% secular homeschooler?
So if there's a hint of anything I'm not comfortable with, I'm certain I'll be able to sniff it out.
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Cool.

It worried me for two reasons - she defines evolution as "chance" which is incorrect and hands over "adapting to the environment" to ID. She also puts evolution, ID, and creationism all as valid interpretative lenses which I definitely would not. I also would not distinguish between creationism and ID.

From that essay I would say she's into ID.
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You could build it with Magic School Bus. They now sell experiment kits (I believe the young scientist club puts them together - I've seen them in the local toy store). They have dvds and books. They are experiments available at the scholastic website. There aren't workbooks however but you could put those together easily enough for K
You might also just look at the Young Scientist club.
I totally agree with the PPs though that at the K age a science curriculum isn't necessary.
We don't follow a curriculum, but we have enjoyed the young scientist club kits. They're fun and easy to pull out when we're looking for something to do.

Or you might like using ambleside online's nature study plan. Though they wouldn't have you do nearly as many topics as you mentioned in one year.

FWIW, one of my pet peeves about science curricula is that there is far too much emphasis placed on the learning of facts, while the scientific method is barely addressed in the early years. I think much of the controversy about ID and creationism comes from a misunderstanding about what science is (a powerful method of gathering information and generating and evaluating hypotheses) and what it is not (the absolute true answer for everything).

ZM
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Hmm, I don't know. I've been assured that it doesn't address either end of the spectrum at all, just as she says in the entry:

"Although I do have a personal bias and I do prefer one interpretative framework over another, RS4K is, and will continue to be (to the best of my ability), a practice of science only curriculum."

I guess I'll have to see for myself. It will be here in a few days. I am...shall we say...a COMPLETELY, 100% secular homeschooler?
So if there's a hint of anything I'm not comfortable with, I'm certain I'll be able to sniff it out.
For me, it wouldn't be enough that a curriculum refrained from teaching intelligent design, creationism, or young earth theory. Evolutionary theory is the fundamental framework of biology. It's not just an interesting but isolated side topic that you can address or not address - "how did life originally begin?" - evolution, selection, environmental pressures, adaptation, population genetics, etc. underlie pretty much all biological processes.

And more: thinking of intelligent design and creationism as "just another framework for interpreting science" is highly misleading. Those theories shut down science by declaring that any process we can't understand must have a supernatural cause. Or they're willing to conduct "science," but only with the understanding that the conclusions are already decided at the beginning. That is simply not scientific reasoning.
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: Rivka!

Anyway, I couldn't let this go. Keller isn't just into ID, she's into foisting it on public schools:

http://notverybright.wordpress.com/2...air-education/

She's pushed in New Mexico schools and according to this blog, SC ones as well. She also signed the "dissent from Darwin" document.

I also find it suspicious that she publishes under RW Keller. Perhaps to make googling her views more difficult? Give me a heartfelt creationist over a slick and manpiulative ID-er any day!
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My daughter really loves paper and pencil stuff and she also loves to do science experiments. The thing is, I have been finding science experiments alone in kits, with explanations that do not make sense to me or to five year olds.

My own knowledge of science is very, very weak. Perhaps I should start out educating my self.
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For me, it wouldn't be enough that a curriculum refrained from teaching intelligent design, creationism, or young earth theory. Evolutionary theory is the fundamental framework of biology. It's not just an interesting but isolated side topic that you can address or not address - "how did life originally begin?" - evolution, selection, environmental pressures, adaptation, population genetics, etc. underlie pretty much all biological processes.

And more: thinking of intelligent design and creationism as "just another framework for interpreting science" is highly misleading. Those theories shut down science by declaring that any process we can't understand must have a supernatural cause. Or they're willing to conduct "science," but only with the understanding that the conclusions are already decided at the beginning. That is simply not scientific reasoning.
At the risk of provoking some kind of fight over this bigger issue, trust me, I agree with you. However, try finding the curriculum that teaches from that perspective! I'm perfectly happy handling that aspect on my own. Unfortunately, I happen to be the kind of person who NEEDS a curriculum to work from. I'm simply not a "think outside the box" person. I wish I were.

In all my research, I've not yet found any type of curriculum that addresses every single one of my needs, desires, and goals. I think that if you're a curriculum-oriented person, you're going to need to be flexible about certain things. If you know of an elementary-level curriculum that is founded on hard-core evolutionary theory, please tell me about it; I'd look into it right away. Unfortunately (or not, whatever), I think any publisher offering such material is going to automatically cut off nearly 3/4 of its potential homeschooling customer base at the outset. I had no idea just how many people truly believed in creationism and ID until I started researching--I was completely blown away. This is where I'm at in my research.
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My daughter really loves paper and pencil stuff and she also loves to do science experiments. The thing is, I have been finding science experiments alone in kits, with explanations that do not make sense to me or to five year olds.

My own knowledge of science is very, very weak. Perhaps I should start out educating my self.
Have you tried the "young scientists club" kits? They come with a script and explanation, and if you do them in order, they do build on the knowledge from the earlier kits.
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My daughter really loves paper and pencil stuff and she also loves to do science experiments. The thing is, I have been finding science experiments alone in kits, with explanations that do not make sense to me or to five year olds.

My own knowledge of science is very, very weak. Perhaps I should start out educating my self.
The Mudpies to Magnets books have experiments appropriate for kids ranging from 2 to 5/6, so maybe those will fit the bill for you after all? I'm also expecting some other "science experiments for kids" type book from Paperbackswap.com--should be here in a few days as well. I'll report back when I've looked at it.
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We use MUS, and for science we use NOEO science. It's not religious at all.
http://www.noeoscience.com/

We started with Chemistry, the complete kit, with the experiment books, reading books, teacher guide, reproduceable student pages, and the experiement kits (which I believe are from the young scientists club). Everything ties together. We really like it. We don't always do the writing, sometimes ds & I will just talk about it, but that's just us. Definitely will be sticking with this science for both my boys.
The magic school bus idea is good; my kids have both learned a lot from the show and the books and it holds their attention... I didn't realize they were making complimentary experiments as well.

I also have mudpies to magnets. You can look it up at Amazon and do a search inside for those books (there is More mudpies to Magnets as well).

Have you looked at NoeoScience? It may not be secular enough for you though, but it does include science experiments and supplies with the book studies.

I think that your wish is something many people have wished for, but it is difficult to put something together like that for science, as opposed to math, because of the many subjective and even opposing opinions that people intertwine around "science" curriculum.

As young as kindergarten, science really can't be too intense. Age-appropriate books and experiments are really enjoyable... but I found that even The Young Scientists Club was a bit too old for kindergarten as far as really getting everything out of it that it was designed for - charting, graphing, writing skills were a big part of the kits I recieved, and I had to shelf them for later.

My oldest is seven now and I have been thinking about science a lot lately. I am leaning towards My World Science (previously mentioned by Melissel) which supports living books and has instructions for experiments, and nature journaling.

Here are some links to books for nature journaling (in case you are wondering what that is):
Handbook of Nature of Study
My Nature Journal

Something like my program definitely makes for more work for the teacher as it is not all put together for you already, but I just don't think you are going find something like Math U See for science, at least at this time.

BTW, melissel, would you please post your impressions of RS4K when you get it?
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http://www.msnucleus.org/membership/k-6.html

Have you looked at this? And the price is right - free!
Thanks for the link -- lots of good ideas there.
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I found a math curriculum that is so perfect for my daughter that I want something similarly perfect for science. Math U See is so great (http://www.mathusee.com) that my dd begs to use it and I feel confident to use it because it has a DVD for me to watch and then teach with and hands on rods and cubes that help her conceptualize things. Everything is broken down into teeny steps.

For science, I want to find the equivalent to Math U See, in terms of the DVD and hands on activities that we pace ourselves. I want the same workbooks that build slowly, almost imperceptibly, on the knowledge.

I want very exciting experiments that illustrate the principles being taught, preferably with the option of buying the kits at the same time.

Also, it must be secular without intelligent design or creationism.

I want it to have things like field trips to the zoo, birdwatching, along with things like making volcanos out of paper mache.

Does such a curriculum exist? Please point it out to me. I need it. I do not want to design it myself, but please, there must be a market for such a product, so if it doesn't exist yet, will someone please make it?
i love core knowledge. it is secular curriculum used in many schools, and created by the author of what your _er needs to know. i use the BCP lessons listed at the CK website. here is there monthly scope and sequence from BCP, so you can see how it builds on itself each month:

SEPTEMBER:
The Human Body - Skin - Lesson 1
The Human Body - Cleanliness - Lesson 2
The Human Body - Healthy foods - Lesson 3
The Human Body - Exercise - Lesson 4

OCTOBER:
The Human Body - Five Senses - Lesson 5
The Human Body -Sight - Lesson 6
The Human Body -Hearing - Lesson 7
The Human Body -Smell - Lesson 8
The Human Body -Taste - Lesson 9
The Human Body -Touch - Lesson 10
The Human Body -Five Senses - Lesson 11

NOVEMBER:
Conservation - Living/Nonliving - Lesson 12
Conservation - Needs of Living Things - Lesson 13
Conservation - Living Things - Environment - Lesson 14
Conservation - Living Things - Resources - Lesson 15
Conservation - Resources - Lesson 16
Conservation - Recycling - Lesson 17

DECEMBER:
Magnetism - Push/Pull - Lesson 17
Magnetism - Classify Objects - Lesson 18
Magnetism - Attraction - Lesson 19
Magnetism - Strength - Lesson 20

JANUARY:
Animals - Living Things - Lesson 22
Animals - Needs - Lesson 23
Animals - Babies - Lesson 24
Animals - A dog is man's best friend - Lesson 25

FEBRUARY:
Animals - Activities - Overview
Jane Goodall - Lesson 26

MARCH:
Weather - Observe and record - Lesson 27
Weather - Seasons - Lesson 28
Weather - Seasonal Changes - Lesson 29
Weather - Thermometer/Temperature - Lesson 30
Weather - Clouds - Lesson 31
Weather - It's raining cats and dogs - Lesson 32
Weather - Weather Safety - Lesson 33
Weather - Rain and Snow - Lesson 34

APRIL:
Plants - Needs - Lesson 35
Plants - Seeds - Lesson 36
Plants - Roots/Stems/Leaves - Lesson 37
Plants - Trees - Lesson 38
Plants - Review - Lesson 39
George Washington Carver - Lesson 40

MAY:
Plants - Review - Lesson 41
Farming - Uses of Plants - Lesson 42
Farming - Roots/Stems/Leaves - Lesson 37
Farming - Trees - Lesson 38
Wilbur and Orville Wright - Lesson 45

i think the lessons are very hands on and interactive. you can be creative and come up with your own things as you follow each theme. i teach science twice a week with these, and i may supplement with other CK lessons from here if i feel like it:http://www.coreknowledge.org/CK/resrcs/lessons/K.htm or here http://www.ckcolorado.org/lessons/kinder.asp ...just scroll down to "science". the lessons from BCP are free from here:http://www.baltimorecp.org/lessons/draft_lessons.html

just scroll down to kindergarten and you can click on each month. hope this helps. i also have a link to science experiemnts that are awesome...i'll try to find the link and post it.

PS- sorry SO long!
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